how to fill new reels - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

sdcityboy · 01-07-2008, 03:06 PM

ok, decided to try conventional reels for the first time(always used spinning gear). so on thursday i'm going to squidco for a shimano tld 15 for live bait and a daiwa sealine 30x-hv for irons . i sure would apreciate any advice on what to have them fill them up with. dying to hit la jolla with my new extreme. i was figuring on using seeker 7' rods.

Dan · 01-07-2008, 03:15 PM

Ok, both reels are high on my list, although, I'd use the TLD for fishing live bait, and the Daiwa for chucking or another bait reel.

i fill my TLD with enough 40# mono backing to allow for 200 yards 50# spectra. Then use a short topshot.

I put 30# or (40 if I'm using it for throwing iron) on the Sealine. Use a short flouro topshot if you're fishing bait.

good luck.

lamb · 01-07-2008, 05:41 PM

Pretty much what Dan said.

I have some mono on my reels, then 300 yards of spectra and finally a floro leader.

I like 30# and 40# spectra as I struggle to break off anything stronger than 40# if I get snagged.

It's winter now, so some folks like mono all the way. Fishing is further out, no kelp to worry about, and that mono stretch helps with them sholdery winter yellas.

Good luck!

FISHIONADO · 01-07-2008, 07:32 PM

I caught the mac below on a TLD15. I use a $30 spinner combo for regular macs. I like spectra on all my rigs including my sabiki spinner, sometimes I'll take off the sabiki and tie on an 8" weedless slug directly to spectra for calico slaying in the kelp. I fill my conventional reels 3/4 with mono and top with 50lb spectra and 3' of flouro. If I was buying a new reel I would have Squidco fill it but I usually do it myself with a $20 Berkley line winder, before that I used a rag wrapped around my hand for tension, worked fine. When I get a snag I pull from a couple different directions, if that doesn't work then just wrap the spectra around the butt of the reel and pull straight up.

Any excuse to pimp my photos....

Dan · 01-07-2008, 08:42 PM

show off.F'n Dave/

Shortbite · 01-07-2008, 09:30 PM

I'd fill both reels with 65pds spectra, tell Joey u wants the white Izor !
Don't mess with mono backing ,get spectra all the way from the bottom of the spool! I know it will cost little more right now, but It's going to last a very long time without having to replace the mono

For the yo yo rig, get 40 pds fluor and for live bait, 25 pds fluor. (topshots)
If you plan on casting surface irons, i'd get another rig full of 40 pds mono!

lamb · 01-08-2008, 07:10 AM

Ref, I 2nd that, show off!!! lol

Back on the subject:

Forget about Dave's old, faded pics...

I hear YT models, thick as a beer bottle (BTW, Negro Modelo is much better than it light watery bro), of a size that would rock the WCW Yellowtail JP list, can be caught in La Jolla these days on 30# spectra all the way down to the 3 way swivel with 4 ft of 30# floro leader and #2 hook with a sardine hanging on it... lol

If it can be done from a skiff, you ought to be able to do it from a kayak too...

C'mon WCW!

Iceman · 01-08-2008, 07:58 AM

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ratdog · 01-08-2008, 08:23 AM

Where can I find a proper knot demo for tieing flouro to spectra?

wavster · 01-08-2008, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman

Power Pro just made things easier with their new packaging. We just ordered a bunch for all the OEX stores.......now where is the "shameless plug" emoticon

http://www.powerpro.com/press/news/d...ESS_NEWS_ID=29

What's the cost differential with the new packaging compared to just a spool?

Has there been an increase in price?

lamb · 01-08-2008, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratdog

Where can I find a proper knot demo for tieing flouro to spectra?

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/index.php?page=knots

Uni to uni is popular...

or just use a swivel, like other people who don't know the knot science. I always use a swivel.

mars · 01-08-2008, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratdog

Where can I find a proper knot demo for tieing flouro to spectra?

Yeah - what John said. Is the consensus Uni to Uni? I've never had much faith in my Uni to Uni, though I have yet to put it to the test.

mars · 01-08-2008, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lamb

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/index.php?page=knots

Uni to uni is popular...

or just use a swivel, like other people who don't know the knot science. I always use a swivel.

So Adi, do you use mono backing to swivel to braid to swivel to leader line?

dgax65 · 01-08-2008, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratdog

Where can I find a proper knot demo for tying flouro to spectra?

I've had great success using an Albright Knot for joining spectra to mono or fluorocarbon line. When joining Spectra (30/50/65) to a larger line (30/40/50 fluorocarbon) I always use a minimum of 15 to 20 turns of the Spectra.

Lots of people also use a uni-to-uni for joining spectra to mono/fluorocarbon.

With either method it is important to tie the knot carefully and make sure that the turns lay smoothly. An Albright, if tied correctly, is a very small diameter knot.

dgax65 · 01-08-2008, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mars

So Adi, do you use mono backing to swivel to braid to swivel to leader line?

I would join the spectra to mono backing with an Albright or Uni-to-Uni. You probably aren't going to get spooled down that deep fighting anything from a kayak. Tie it once and you won't see that knot again until it's time to clean the Spectra.
An Albright or Uni-to-Uni is a good choice for joining the Spectra to a mono top-shot. For this application, where the knot will pass through the guides more often, a small diameter knot with short tags is important. I prefer using the Albright because of the smaller diameter. You can also put a dab of glue on the tag ends to enable them to pass through the guides more easily.
Using a swivel or a ring is a viable option when joining Spectra to a fluorocarbon or heavy mono leader. I often use an Owner #4 solid SS ring or a 130# Spro swivel between the Spectra and the leader. It's easier to use a swivel than trying to tie an Albright when on the water. The swivel/ring method also allows you to quickly change out pre-made leaders and rigs.

wavster · 01-08-2008, 11:08 AM

Doug, out of curiousity, what type of glue would you use on the knot. I've
heard of using glue, but have never done it.

I'm using an albright with the Spectra to Fluoro or mono and haven't had one fail.
But the glue might be better for going through the guides...

lamb · 01-08-2008, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mars

So Adi, do you use mono backing to swivel to braid to swivel to leader line?

oops, sorry - I was referring to connecting braid to to the floro leader. I always use the swivel. And that's because I can't tie Unis, Albrights, all that complicated stuff...

Joey and the gang at Squidco tie mono backing and spectra.

That's about once a year deal, when I'm putting the new braid.

sdcityboy · 01-08-2008, 09:05 PM

sure have learned a lot from this thread but would like to know. the guys that claim they can't tie knots, what knot do you use to tie on the swivel?

PescadorPete · 01-08-2008, 09:11 PM

I prefer the daiwa sealine SL-X40HA instead of the 30. I like the 4:9 gear ratio, fast enough to get bit and good cranking power. Others prefer the 6:1 SHA, but for me not enough cranking power on a bigger fish. I use a bimini in my spectra and a worm knot in the mono (not the spectra). It's very compact and you never have to cut the bimini to re-tie

FISHIONADO · 01-09-2008, 06:12 AM

I used the improved clinch knot at first, and lost nearly every big strike. Then I learned the uni-knot and have used it on everything ever since, hooks, swivels, line-to-line, mono, spectra. On light line I double it before tying the knot, 6-10 loops on light line, 4 loops on 30lb mono. It is very easy to tie on the water. There may be better knots but I've had success with this one and I only need one knot for everything.

01-07-2008, 03:06 PM	#1
sdcityboy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: south park (san diego),CA Posts: 119	how to fill new reels ok, decided to try conventional reels for the first time(always used spinning gear). so on thursday i'm going to squidco for a shimano tld 15 for live bait and a daiwa sealine 30x-hv for irons . i sure would apreciate any advice on what to have them fill them up with. dying to hit la jolla with my new extreme. i was figuring on using seeker 7' rods. Last edited by sdcityboy; 01-07-2008 at 07:50 PM. Reason: corrected info

01-07-2008, 05:41 PM	#3
lamb Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,563	Pretty much what Dan said. I have some mono on my reels, then 300 yards of spectra and finally a floro leader. I like 30# and 40# spectra as I struggle to break off anything stronger than 40# if I get snagged. It's winter now, so some folks like mono all the way. Fishing is further out, no kelp to worry about, and that mono stretch helps with them sholdery winter yellas. Good luck! __________________ [------------------------ <)))< ....b-a-a-a-a

01-07-2008, 09:30 PM	#6
Shortbite Junior Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Clairemont Posts: 27	I'd fill both reels with 65pds spectra, tell Joey u wants the white Izor ! Don't mess with mono backing ,get spectra all the way from the bottom of the spool! I know it will cost little more right now, but It's going to last a very long time without having to replace the mono For the yo yo rig, get 40 pds fluor and for live bait, 25 pds fluor. (topshots) If you plan on casting surface irons, i'd get another rig full of 40 pds mono! Last edited by Shortbite; 01-07-2008 at 09:41 PM.

01-08-2008, 07:10 AM	#7
lamb Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,563	Ref, I 2nd that, show off!!! lol Back on the subject: Forget about Dave's old, faded pics... I hear YT models, thick as a beer bottle (BTW, Negro Modelo is much better than it light watery bro), of a size that would rock the WCW Yellowtail JP list, can be caught in La Jolla these days on 30# spectra all the way down to the 3 way swivel with 4 ft of 30# floro leader and #2 hook with a sardine hanging on it... lol If it can be done from a skiff, you ought to be able to do it from a kayak too... C'mon WCW! __________________ [------------------------ <)))< ....b-a-a-a-a

01-08-2008, 07:58 AM	#8
Iceman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 1-2 miles off the point Posts: 6,943	Power Pro just made things easier with their new packaging. We just ordered a bunch for all the OEX stores.......now where is the "shameless plug" emoticon http://www.powerpro.com/press/news/d...ESS_NEWS_ID=29 __________________

01-07-2008, 03:15 PM	#2
Dan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,053	Ok, both reels are high on my list, although, I'd use the TLD for fishing live bait, and the Daiwa for chucking or another bait reel. i fill my TLD with enough 40# mono backing to allow for 200 yards 50# spectra. Then use a short topshot. I put 30# or (40 if I'm using it for throwing iron) on the Sealine. Use a short flouro topshot if you're fishing bait. good luck.

01-07-2008, 07:32 PM	#4
FISHIONADO Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 698	I caught the mac below on a TLD15. I use a $30 spinner combo for regular macs. I like spectra on all my rigs including my sabiki spinner, sometimes I'll take off the sabiki and tie on an 8" weedless slug directly to spectra for calico slaying in the kelp. I fill my conventional reels 3/4 with mono and top with 50lb spectra and 3' of flouro. If I was buying a new reel I would have Squidco fill it but I usually do it myself with a $20 Berkley line winder, before that I used a rag wrapped around my hand for tension, worked fine. When I get a snag I pull from a couple different directions, if that doesn't work then just wrap the spectra around the butt of the reel and pull straight up. Any excuse to pimp my photos....

01-07-2008, 08:42 PM	#5
Dan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,053	show off.F'n Dave/

01-08-2008, 08:23 AM	#9
ratdog Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 424	Where can I find a proper knot demo for tieing flouro to spectra?

01-08-2008, 11:08 AM	#16
wavster Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Encinitas Posts: 562	Doug, out of curiousity, what type of glue would you use on the knot. I've heard of using glue, but have never done it. I'm using an albright with the Spectra to Fluoro or mono and haven't had one fail. But the glue might be better for going through the guides...

01-08-2008, 09:05 PM	#18
sdcityboy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: south park (san diego),CA Posts: 119	sure have learned a lot from this thread but would like to know. the guys that claim they can't tie knots, what knot do you use to tie on the swivel?

01-08-2008, 09:11 PM	#19
PescadorPete Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leucadia, CA Posts: 261	I prefer the daiwa sealine SL-X40HA instead of the 30. I like the 4:9 gear ratio, fast enough to get bit and good cranking power. Others prefer the 6:1 SHA, but for me not enough cranking power on a bigger fish. I use a bimini in my spectra and a worm knot in the mono (not the spectra). It's very compact and you never have to cut the bimini to re-tie

01-09-2008, 06:12 AM	#20
FISHIONADO Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 698	I used the improved clinch knot at first, and lost nearly every big strike. Then I learned the uni-knot and have used it on everything ever since, hooks, swivels, line-to-line, mono, spectra. On light line I double it before tying the knot, 6-10 loops on light line, 4 loops on 30lb mono. It is very easy to tie on the water. There may be better knots but I've had success with this one and I only need one knot for everything.