This is a warning to all diver who steal for my hoopnet - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

wiredantz · 09-30-2012, 12:17 PM

I will be carrying 8 bricks tonight, if i see light on my hoopnet, this bricks will be comming down.

There is no reason for any diver to be going to hoopnet to hoopnet jacking our stuff.

ANd im also bring my my bibi gun.

not like anyone here would steal from my hoopnet, just was frustraed last night, after that diver was going through our net with his light and shut down the bite

radastaff · 09-30-2012, 01:01 PM

i could imagine jigging with a 7x might be fun about that time

ctfphoto · 09-30-2012, 01:11 PM

I was very vocal (and nice) to the divers who got near my nets, just to let them Know I was there

NextBite · 09-30-2012, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wiredantz

I will be carrying 8 bricks tonight, if i see light on my hoopnet, this bricks will be comming down.

There is no reason for any diver to be going to hoopnet to hoopnet jacking our stuff.

ANd im also bring my my bibi gun.

not like anyone here would steal from my hoopnet, just was frustraed last night, after that diver was going through our net with his light and shut down the bite

Where you hooping

Dannowar · 09-30-2012, 02:40 PM

I'm going hooping for divers.

Sdspeed · 09-30-2012, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dannowar

I'm going hooping for divers.

How about a downrigger with a 5lb weight.
'Ah sorry I was just fish'in, what were you do'in down there? "

Baja_Traveler · 09-30-2012, 04:06 PM

Squid jig - does wonders to a wetsuit...

Tman · 09-30-2012, 04:28 PM

That was the worst thing about doing the openers in Cardiff...lights everywhere, zeroing in on your nets. But when they came up for air, I told them (somewhat) nicely to stay the phook away from my nets.

Don't need to worry about that now though...

The 'real' divers, who have been doing it for years, don't need to resort to that.

Yakin · 09-30-2012, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sdspeed

How about a downrigger with a 5lb weight.
'Ah sorry I was just fish'in, what were you do'in down there? "

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Originally Posted by seaquinn

how about a sabiki..... quickly jerked....

I was thinking more of a rock fish jig with a 5lb weight quickly jigged

vincentek9 · 09-30-2012, 09:43 PM

i dont think bricks will do much underwater. they arent that heavy... try a big game rod with a 16oz torpedo and several treble hooks

Cbad Mike · 10-01-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by wiredantz

I will be carrying 8 bricks tonight, if i see light on my hoopnet, this bricks will be comming down.

There is no reason for any diver to be going to hoopnet to hoopnet jacking our stuff.

ANd im also bring my my bibi gun.

not like anyone here would steal from my hoopnet, just was frustraed last night, after that diver was going through our net with his light and shut down the bite

Where were you Sunday night?
http://www.cbs8.com/story/19683322/d...in-mission-bay

wiredantz · 10-01-2012, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cbad Mike

Where were you Sunday night?
http://www.cbs8.com/story/19683322/d...in-mission-bay

Don't look at me....

I had 7 witnesses, last night while we were kayaking far far far far away from san diego.

steveooo · 10-01-2012, 03:40 PM

All this internet tough-guy talk about hurting guys over a few silly lobster? Id say that 2 things pretty high on my priority list when I go fishing are:

1) Don't get hurt- Make sure I come home safely to my family.
2) Don't hurt anybody else- Make sure they come home safely to their family.

Maybe the 2nd one isn't something that I actually think about when fishing, but its got to rank pretty high in the realm of just being a decent human being, right?

Do you remember this post, where I actually had a little faith restored in humanity, and the BWE kayak community?

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...ad.php?t=14807

Now you guys are all ready to grab torches and pitchforks and start lobbing bricks and jigs at people underwater? I certainly hope you guys don't need lobster that bad.

Plus, I'm allergic to lobster, so I think its gross

wiredantz · 10-01-2012, 03:44 PM

I will toss my brick tossing i dea aside, and going with the jumping in the water and DOn't touch my hoopnet

thien · 10-01-2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by steveooo

All this internet tough-guy talk about hurting guys over a few silly lobster? Id say that 2 things pretty high on my priority list when I go fishing are:

1) Don't get hurt- Make sure I come home safely to my family.
2) Don't hurt anybody else- Make sure they come home safely to their family.

Maybe the 2nd one isn't something that I actually think about when fishing, but its got to rank pretty high in the realm of just being a decent human being, right?

Do you remember this post, where I actually had a little faith restored in humanity, and the BWE kayak community?

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...ad.php?t=14807

Now you guys are all ready to grab torches and pitchforks and start lobbing bricks and jigs at people underwater? I certainly hope you guys don't need lobster that bad.

Plus, I'm allergic to lobster, so I think its gross

x2. Good on you Steve. All this peacocking over bugs. Let them know what's up and move on. Talk is cheap, doubt anyone would actually drop a brick or iron on a diver, if you do for the sake of a lobster....you're probably more of an idiot.

10-01-2012, 05:33 PM

I agree with steve. You don't realize how much more of an advantage an experienced diver has over you in the water.

Cool, you're going to drop a brick down. It'll hit him and he won't even feel it because the water will slow it down so much.

You're going to bury hooks in him? That'll hurt, but 99% of divers carry a knife. He'll just your line off, and toss your boat. If that leads to a fight, who do you think is more prepared to fight in the water? A diver...or a guy who sits on Tupperware all day.

90% chance you have a PFD on. He doesn't, he can get away from you much easier than you can get away him him.

In ancient Japan, the biggest weakness against them was horse mounted soldiers. So you know what they did? They learned to dismount the soldiers and fight them on the ground. You're the horse mounted soldier, the diver is the samurai. When you go in the water, and trust me, you will. You're in their world now.

radastaff · 10-01-2012, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by thien

x2. Good on you Steve. All this peacocking over bugs. Let them know what's up and move on. Talk is cheap, doubt anyone would actually drop a brick or iron on a diver, if you do for the sake of a lobster....you're probably more of an idiot.

i was half joking bout my 7x

but it cerainly aint cool
the poaching aspect that is

i would just move prob
or board the dive boat
if it happened again after a move

but would never be in that postion
dont like them alien bugs
nohow

and Frank is really a good guy
just pissed off

you would think
fellow watermen (and waterwomen)
would show each other respect
even when times are tough

Aaron&Julie · 10-01-2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by steveooo

All this internet tough-guy talk about hurting guys over a few silly lobster? Id say that 2 things pretty high on my priority list when I go fishing are:

1) Don't get hurt- Make sure I come home safely to my family.
2) Don't hurt anybody else- Make sure they come home safely to their family.

Maybe the 2nd one isn't something that I actually think about when fishing, but its got to rank pretty high in the realm of just being a decent human being, right?

Do you remember this post, where I actually had a little faith restored in humanity, and the BWE kayak community?

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...ad.php?t=14807

Now you guys are all ready to grab torches and pitchforks and start lobbing bricks and jigs at people underwater? I certainly hope you guys don't need lobster that bad.

Plus, I'm allergic to lobster, so I think its gross

Steve, I tend to agree with you on just about every topic, I even do here. But, one point should be added, let's call it #3

3) Don't steal ANYTHING from any of the other sporting people anywhere, or just don't steal at all.

Divers who check nets, are not only disrupting a crawl that may reward a kayak hoopster for all of his/her hard work, but how about the divers being decent human beings too, and stay at least 10 feet away from our nets? They certainly can cover much more bottom than we can.

No, I don't need lobster so bad that I have to injure somebody. But, do they need lobster so bad that they have to poach?

I've not seen kayak hoopsters hurt anyone, but I've definitely seen divers go directly to nets (mine and others), and who knows what they are really doing there? Definitely spooking lobsters close by my net. Poaching, aye, maybe that too.

Respect for each other is the way to go, but not all divers get that message. Some kayakers don't either, but that is usually in regards to areas other than poaching one's bugs.

wiredantz · 10-01-2012, 06:24 PM

yeah, i can imagine 10million things.

but it comes down to...

its just plain wrong to steal...
ive seen diver do it... i heard divers say they have done it....

and its just not right... to steal.... but they do it?

yes i have friends who dive who are honest, but i know divers who are wrong and dirty....

THIS IS ONGOING WAR: Even across the world!!!

the biggest problem, Parisi said, has been divers stealing lobsters right out of his traps.
Parisi said he once put out 100 traps, and when he pulled them up a few days later, 67 of the traps had open doors. This is something a fish could never do considering the doors on the top of the wired, metal traps are bound by tightly-strapped bungee cords.
Besides catching lobsters, crabs, sea stars and the occasional fish in his traps, Parisi said he has pulled up diving gloves and a flashlight. He knows another lobsterman whose catch once yielded an expensive watch and dive knife.
He said every summer he sees a few divers walking up on shore or climbing back into their boats with a bag stuffed full of lobsters.
"You can pretty much tell when a diver gets out of the water with a bag with 25 lobsters, you can tell they aren't getting them legally," he said. "We're pulling 100 traps and getting maybe 10 lobsters. They're coming up with 30. They ruin it for everybody."
Parisi said he has called the game wardens on more than one occasion to report suspicious behavior from divers, like when he sees bag after bag of lobsters being loaded into divers' boats, or when he is pulling traps and bubbles from the divers are directly below and preceding him along his string of traps. Sometimes the divers are arrested for harvesting undersized and pregnant lobsters, Parisi said. More often than not, though, the divers are out of the water and driving away by the time law enforcement officials have arrived.
But Parisi insists it is only a few bad apples who spoil diving for everyone else.

http://www.scuba-newengland.com/News....asp?NewsID=41

Tman · 10-01-2012, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by steveooo

Now you guys are all ready to grab torches and pitchforks and start lobbing bricks and jigs at people underwater? I certainly hope you guys don't need lobster that bad.

Plus, I'm allergic to lobster, so I think its gross

Agreed...at one point, divers and yakkers were united, and as was said, there's always a few bad apples.

Maybe it's different in my neck of the woods, but real divers don't need to resort to that, personally they should be looking under crevices cuz that's where the good ones are. I have seen lights shine towards my nets, and the lights' angles go away from my nets, common respect and courtesy. Besides, if you ever dove, you know that bugs get that deer in the headlights look when you shine a light in their eyes.

Sounds like you're dealing with a--holes.

Good apples and bad apples, I have actually paddled back out to help a diver who lost his dive buddy...if they are poaching your nets, paddle in and meet them on the beach. Simple.

Steveooo, when ya wanna go hoopin'?

09-30-2012, 12:17 PM	#1
wiredantz Currently @ MLO Territory Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Under the Shadow Posts: 2,290	This is a warning to all diver who steal for my hoopnet I will be carrying 8 bricks tonight, if i see light on my hoopnet, this bricks will be comming down. There is no reason for any diver to be going to hoopnet to hoopnet jacking our stuff. ANd im also bring my my bibi gun. not like anyone here would steal from my hoopnet, just was frustraed last night, after that diver was going through our net with his light and shut down the bite __________________ Team: Disbanded You only have one chance in this life...make the right decision(s)...so you don't regret it

09-30-2012, 04:28 PM	#8
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	That was the worst thing about doing the openers in Cardiff...lights everywhere, zeroing in on your nets. But when they came up for air, I told them (somewhat) nicely to stay the phook away from my nets. Don't need to worry about that now though... The 'real' divers, who have been doing it for years, don't need to resort to that. __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

09-30-2012, 09:43 PM	#10
vincentek9 MAYNEE-YAK Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: So Cal Posts: 531	i dont think bricks will do much underwater. they arent that heavy... try a big game rod with a 16oz torpedo and several treble hooks __________________

10-01-2012, 03:44 PM	#14
wiredantz Currently @ MLO Territory Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Under the Shadow Posts: 2,290	I will toss my brick tossing i dea aside, and going with the jumping in the water and DOn't touch my hoopnet __________________ Team: Disbanded You only have one chance in this life...make the right decision(s)...so you don't regret it

10-01-2012, 06:24 PM	#19
wiredantz Currently @ MLO Territory Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Under the Shadow Posts: 2,290	yeah, i can imagine 10million things. but it comes down to... its just plain wrong to steal... ive seen diver do it... i heard divers say they have done it.... and its just not right... to steal.... but they do it? yes i have friends who dive who are honest, but i know divers who are wrong and dirty.... THIS IS ONGOING WAR: Even across the world!!! the biggest problem, Parisi said, has been divers stealing lobsters right out of his traps. Parisi said he once put out 100 traps, and when he pulled them up a few days later, 67 of the traps had open doors. This is something a fish could never do considering the doors on the top of the wired, metal traps are bound by tightly-strapped bungee cords. Besides catching lobsters, crabs, sea stars and the occasional fish in his traps, Parisi said he has pulled up diving gloves and a flashlight. He knows another lobsterman whose catch once yielded an expensive watch and dive knife. He said every summer he sees a few divers walking up on shore or climbing back into their boats with a bag stuffed full of lobsters. "You can pretty much tell when a diver gets out of the water with a bag with 25 lobsters, you can tell they aren't getting them legally," he said. "We're pulling 100 traps and getting maybe 10 lobsters. They're coming up with 30. They ruin it for everybody." Parisi said he has called the game wardens on more than one occasion to report suspicious behavior from divers, like when he sees bag after bag of lobsters being loaded into divers' boats, or when he is pulling traps and bubbles from the divers are directly below and preceding him along his string of traps. Sometimes the divers are arrested for harvesting undersized and pregnant lobsters, Parisi said. More often than not, though, the divers are out of the water and driving away by the time law enforcement officials have arrived. But Parisi insists it is only a few bad apples who spoil diving for everyone else. http://www.scuba-newengland.com/News....asp?NewsID=41 __________________ Team: Disbanded You only have one chance in this life...make the right decision(s)...so you don't regret it

09-30-2012, 01:01 PM	#2
radastaff Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 314	i could imagine jigging with a 7x might be fun about that time

09-30-2012, 01:11 PM	#3
ctfphoto Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 901	I was very vocal (and nice) to the divers who got near my nets, just to let them Know I was there

09-30-2012, 02:40 PM	#5
Dannowar Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,823	I'm going hooping for divers.

09-30-2012, 04:06 PM	#7
Baja_Traveler Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Table 17, Bay Park Fish Co. Posts: 943	Squid jig - does wonders to a wetsuit...

10-01-2012, 03:40 PM	#13
steveooo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,921	All this internet tough-guy talk about hurting guys over a few silly lobster? Id say that 2 things pretty high on my priority list when I go fishing are: 1) Don't get hurt- Make sure I come home safely to my family. 2) Don't hurt anybody else- Make sure they come home safely to their family. Maybe the 2nd one isn't something that I actually think about when fishing, but its got to rank pretty high in the realm of just being a decent human being, right? Do you remember this post, where I actually had a little faith restored in humanity, and the BWE kayak community? http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...ad.php?t=14807 Now you guys are all ready to grab torches and pitchforks and start lobbing bricks and jigs at people underwater? I certainly hope you guys don't need lobster that bad. Plus, I'm allergic to lobster, so I think its gross

10-01-2012, 05:33 PM	#16
Drake Guest Posts: n/a	I agree with steve. You don't realize how much more of an advantage an experienced diver has over you in the water. Cool, you're going to drop a brick down. It'll hit him and he won't even feel it because the water will slow it down so much. You're going to bury hooks in him? That'll hurt, but 99% of divers carry a knife. He'll just your line off, and toss your boat. If that leads to a fight, who do you think is more prepared to fight in the water? A diver...or a guy who sits on Tupperware all day. 90% chance you have a PFD on. He doesn't, he can get away from you much easier than you can get away him him. In ancient Japan, the biggest weakness against them was horse mounted soldiers. So you know what they did? They learned to dismount the soldiers and fight them on the ground. You're the horse mounted soldier, the diver is the samurai. When you go in the water, and trust me, you will. You're in their world now.