Trident Fish Finder Help - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

bellcon · 08-20-2007, 03:03 PM

Does anyone know which ff will fit in the "sonar shield" of the ocean trident kayak??
i was looking into the humminbird 717 and was told it doesn’t fit right
seems that ocean would have made it the right size for at least 1 particular model...
i have heard it is a 383 or 583 is this correct & are these any good?
what are good?? looking at a 3 -4 hundred $ budget + if worth it
just looking for some help...again >>
i will be using the through the hull transducer... and would like to at least have the option of using the shield...or i am going to give up and figure out a different mount...>>
thanks for any and all help>>
Don

aguachico · 08-20-2007, 04:10 PM

Don;

I'm currently rigging my Trident. I placed my FF on a miniram mount on the right side of the sonar shield. I highly advise you NOT to use the sonar shield with the humminbird products. They are waterproof - yes. They float - yes. They are ipx7 - NO. They are not submersible.

By placing your Hbird above the deck, you will get many many years of troublefree service. Remove the head unit before launching and landing and store in a dry bag.

The problem lies more in the mount than the head unit. Having your mount permanently mounted below the deck is a bad idea... OK has a lot of bad ideas on a great hull. The corrision from the connectors on the mount will evetually affect your head unit and then you are screwed. I can only guess that the design engineer fishes fresh water, that's why they think they can actually store rods in the ROD POD. You can't fit saltwater rods in the damn thing.... don't get me started

I looked at other FF, but they suck. They picture just sucks for anything under $300. Hbird rocks and I'm sticking with them even though others have bailed.

I just buried my 300TX. It lasted a long long time. Hbird no longer replaces the 300tx head unit. So I upgraded yesterday. I got the 727 from West Marine. It was $50 more than the 717, but it's being taken out of the WM product list. I also order the quad thru hull xducer and will send the other back for a $59 refund.

I hope this helps. You can get the mini RAM mounts at AYS or online.

BTW: unscrew that stupid ass sonar shield and was the BOWL for other things like dikes, hooks, squid, cat food, trash, remote control or it makes a great pisser...

BTWW, that stupid cup holder works a lot better if reverse the hatch cover so your beer isn't resting on your nuts!!!

AC

bellcon · 08-20-2007, 09:13 PM

AC,
thanks for the info..."They are ipx7 - NO." what do you mean by that?...
my local west marine didnt have a 727, i will have to ask them about it.
i was worried about putting the ff in the "shield" you have confirmed my worries... nice idea by ocean but it wil get soaked.
on my tandem i have a piranhaMax and i have it mounted on a piece of cutting board that is on a removable scotty ff mount (i do just like you said and stow it in a bag on launch and landing)
will you be hooking gps up to your unit?
how do you protect your terminals after you disconect the ff?
did you order the transducer from west marine?
i like the cup holder reverse idea...
still think i will keep the lid at the sonar shield... for now
what else have you done?? i have added 2 flush mounts and 2 rams up front... taking my time (i have no time) and yet i want it done by yesterday
again thanks for the post...love to see some pics, i will post some soon
oh and i have only been out 3 times on the trident but was able to get the rods i used in the hull... i did take the reels off and put em in a bag
Don

aguachico · 08-21-2007, 05:22 AM

Don;

"waterproof in accordance with IEC 529 IPX7. IEC 529 is a European system of test specification standards for classifying the degrees of protection provided by the enclosures of electrical equipment. An IPX7 designation means the GPS case can withstand accidental immersion in one meter of water for up to 30 minutes. An IPX8 designation is for continuous underwater use."

I have a base mount cap that adds protection to the terminals after the head unit is removed.... when i use it. Fresh water and dialectic grease. If your really anal, disconnect the battery after you remove the head unit.
http://www.humminbird.com/retail/cat...t+Cover&Page=1
I hope my old one fits the new one

My gps(garmin76) is on another mini-ramm mount (left side). I like the ram mini rams because they are not too heavy, adjustable and removable. They do not handle saltwater very well and will corrode in about 3 years, but WTF can ya do? Eventually they will come out in graphite.

I've also added strps to both hatches so they are connected while open. I'll eventually post pics when I'm done with the upcoming retrofits. I'm moving and adding two additonal flush mounts behind the seat. I'm installiing a thru hull pump to the external bait tank.

PAL · 08-22-2007, 07:48 AM

Quote:

I can only guess that the design engineer fishes fresh water, that's why they think they can actually store rods in the ROD POD. You can't fit saltwater rods in the damn thing.... don't get me started

What are you fishing with, Penn Internationals?

I've got nothing to say about the "Sonar Shield" but I've used the "Rod Pod" (ugh, goofy names) numerous times for my regular saltwater sticks with no problem at all. The largest is a TLD15 on a decent 7' Seeker and it fits in there fine.

I've stashed up to 4 rigs in there at once. Have you tried putting in them backwards (toward the stern)?

aguachico · 08-22-2007, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAL

What are you fishing with, Penn Internationals?

I've stashed up to 4 rigs in there at once. Have you tried putting in them
backwards (toward the stern)?

Seeker grapihte rod. 7'6". 20-40# class sticks (no reels attached). The opening is too shallow for these rods requiring you to insert them guide first. It's easier to put the rods in the front hatch. My point being that the front hatch is a better ROD POD than the ROD POD. Always has been, always will be.

AC

aguachico · 08-29-2007, 09:38 PM

Guys;

I think I;m going to use the fairing block to level out the Quadra Xducer. Anyone got a band saw?

08-20-2007, 03:03 PM	#1
bellcon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: San Pedro Posts: 999	Trident Fish Finder Help Does anyone know which ff will fit in the "sonar shield" of the ocean trident kayak?? i was looking into the humminbird 717 and was told it doesn’t fit right seems that ocean would have made it the right size for at least 1 particular model... i have heard it is a 383 or 583 is this correct & are these any good? what are good?? looking at a 3 -4 hundred $ budget + if worth it just looking for some help...again >> i will be using the through the hull transducer... and would like to at least have the option of using the shield...or i am going to give up and figure out a different mount...>> thanks for any and all help>> Don

08-20-2007, 04:10 PM	#2
aguachico Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 719	Don; I'm currently rigging my Trident. I placed my FF on a miniram mount on the right side of the sonar shield. I highly advise you NOT to use the sonar shield with the humminbird products. They are waterproof - yes. They float - yes. They are ipx7 - NO. They are not submersible. By placing your Hbird above the deck, you will get many many years of troublefree service. Remove the head unit before launching and landing and store in a dry bag. The problem lies more in the mount than the head unit. Having your mount permanently mounted below the deck is a bad idea... OK has a lot of bad ideas on a great hull. The corrision from the connectors on the mount will evetually affect your head unit and then you are screwed. I can only guess that the design engineer fishes fresh water, that's why they think they can actually store rods in the ROD POD. You can't fit saltwater rods in the damn thing.... don't get me started I looked at other FF, but they suck. They picture just sucks for anything under $300. Hbird rocks and I'm sticking with them even though others have bailed. I just buried my 300TX. It lasted a long long time. Hbird no longer replaces the 300tx head unit. So I upgraded yesterday. I got the 727 from West Marine. It was $50 more than the 717, but it's being taken out of the WM product list. I also order the quad thru hull xducer and will send the other back for a $59 refund. I hope this helps. You can get the mini RAM mounts at AYS or online. BTW: unscrew that stupid ass sonar shield and was the BOWL for other things like dikes, hooks, squid, cat food, trash, remote control or it makes a great pisser... BTWW, that stupid cup holder works a lot better if reverse the hatch cover so your beer isn't resting on your nuts!!! AC

08-20-2007, 09:13 PM	#3
bellcon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: San Pedro Posts: 999	AC, thanks for the info..."They are ipx7 - NO." what do you mean by that?... my local west marine didnt have a 727, i will have to ask them about it. i was worried about putting the ff in the "shield" you have confirmed my worries... nice idea by ocean but it wil get soaked. on my tandem i have a piranhaMax and i have it mounted on a piece of cutting board that is on a removable scotty ff mount (i do just like you said and stow it in a bag on launch and landing) will you be hooking gps up to your unit? how do you protect your terminals after you disconect the ff? did you order the transducer from west marine? i like the cup holder reverse idea... still think i will keep the lid at the sonar shield... for now what else have you done?? i have added 2 flush mounts and 2 rams up front... taking my time (i have no time) and yet i want it done by yesterday again thanks for the post...love to see some pics, i will post some soon oh and i have only been out 3 times on the trident but was able to get the rods i used in the hull... i did take the reels off and put em in a bag Don

08-21-2007, 05:22 AM	#4
aguachico Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 719	Don; "waterproof in accordance with IEC 529 IPX7. IEC 529 is a European system of test specification standards for classifying the degrees of protection provided by the enclosures of electrical equipment. An IPX7 designation means the GPS case can withstand accidental immersion in one meter of water for up to 30 minutes. An IPX8 designation is for continuous underwater use." I have a base mount cap that adds protection to the terminals after the head unit is removed.... when i use it. Fresh water and dialectic grease. If your really anal, disconnect the battery after you remove the head unit. http://www.humminbird.com/retail/cat...t+Cover&Page=1 I hope my old one fits the new one My gps(garmin76) is on another mini-ramm mount (left side). I like the ram mini rams because they are not too heavy, adjustable and removable. They do not handle saltwater very well and will corrode in about 3 years, but WTF can ya do? Eventually they will come out in graphite. I've also added strps to both hatches so they are connected while open. I'll eventually post pics when I'm done with the upcoming retrofits. I'm moving and adding two additonal flush mounts behind the seat. I'm installiing a thru hull pump to the external bait tank.

08-29-2007, 09:38 PM	#7
aguachico Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 719	Guys; I think I;m going to use the fairing block to level out the Quadra Xducer. Anyone got a band saw?