Another Lesson Learned - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

dsafety · 10-14-2011, 07:00 PM

I went out at LJ today for the first time in a long time. The day looked promising when I got on the road for a planned 10:00 launch. As I crested the bluff and headed down the hill to the beach, I noticed a couple of things. The surf was non-existent, always a good thing when launching a kayak. The other thing I noticed was the dark gray marine layer, hundreds of feet thick, sitting a few miles off shore.

I got to the launch, rigged up and headed out into the tea-colored water. I was all by myself. As I headed out, I ran across another yakfisher coming in, (I will call him Mr. X), who had a nice fish strapped to the back of his kayak. Hopefully Mr. X will tell his story one of these days.

About the time I reached the reserve buoys, the marine layer had engulfed me. It was really thick and getting thicker. After about fifteen minutes heading, (hopefully), west, I realized that I had no idea where I was or what direction I was going. The only clue was the occasional bark of a sea lion and the crashing of the waves at some beach, (Boomers?).

The marine layer was so thick and dense that I could not even see the sun and use it as a navigational marker. I have been fishing in fog before but never as dense as this. After a while, it became clear to me that if I could not figure out where I was or what direction I was headed, I could be in some serious trouble.

The good news is that I have an iPhone that I always carry with me while out fishing. The better news is that this phone has a bunch of tools that helped to save my bacon today.

The phone, (along with most smart phones), has a standard compass app. This is great but if you have no idea where you are, just going east to try to get home could have some unforeseen consequences. I could have landed at Boomers and been smacked by a a six foot breaker.

I have a couple other apps on my phone which came in very handy today. Most of these apps use GPS coordinates to plot the phone's position at any given time. The savior today was Navionics. This app showed where I was on a nautical map and also showed what direction I was headed.

To my great surprise, I found that even though I had been peddling West, (supposedly) for almost an hour against a strong wind, I had not made much progress. I was barely past the reserve buoys and had been heading mostly north.

With the help of the iPhone technology, I was able to get myself pointed in the right direction. By noon, the fog had lifted and I was able to get a full day of fishing in. For those who may be interested, there was no catching associated with this day of fishing.

The main point of this post is that even for those of us who have spent quite a bit of time on the water, Mom Nature can sometimes dish out some unexpected and dangerous conditions. Smart Phones are great tool that can help yakfishers cope with with problems on the water.

My recommendation is that you have a smart phone, load it up with the appropriate safety and navigation apps and bring it with you. If you do not have a smart phone, you should seriously consider getting one.

Bob

wiredantz · 10-14-2011, 07:05 PM

D-safety, Are you actually admitting on this post??? That you do not have an actual compass on your kayak???

Must of been a nightmare not know which direction was which, thanks for the report this is one reason i carry my iphone with me too.

roby · 10-14-2011, 07:10 PM

I'm glad you made it back safely Bob. Thanks for the report and advice

thefisher · 10-14-2011, 07:18 PM

Dsafety, are you familiar with the Navionics App for iphone?

jorluivil · 10-14-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by roby

I'm glad you made it back safely Bob. Thanks for the report and advice

Ditto!

I've been in that situation before, I was in some night time fog that was so thick my GPS antenna was actually loosing its signal. I recall getting to the point when I was ready to call the USCG and ask for assistance getting in. The worst part of this was that I was with my son and we were inside the breakwall in Long Beach right outside of Los Alamitos bay.....so close yet so far.

Glad you made it home safely.

Regor · 10-14-2011, 07:41 PM

I too went fishing today, but went to the Bay. The Bay is busy enough on a clear day, but with visibility of less than 100 feet, just plain crazy out there.

Some PB'ers were carefull, lots of horn blowing. Then some were cruising as if they could see for miles.

I was already a few hours into my day of fishing, and an hour peddle out to the mouth of the Jetty when the marine layer rolled in.. There was no turning around. All I could do was fish around the buoy, figuring that was my safest bet.

As you'll see from the pics, even the Navy and tugboats were hugging the buoys.

Just what is it?

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Yep, there were ships and subs of every variety coming in and out of the bay today!

wiredantz · 10-14-2011, 07:45 PM

Cool BEANs!!!

You should of asked for a tour of the sub

mtnbykr2 · 10-14-2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Regor

I too went fishing today, but went to MIssion Bay. Mission Bay is busy enough on a clear day, but with visibility of less than 100 feet, just plain crazy out there.

Some PB'ers were carefull, lots of horn blowing. Then some were cruising as if they could see for miles.

I was already a few hours into my day of fishing, and an hour peddle out to the mouth of the Jetty when the marine layer rolled in.. There was no turning around. All I could do was fish around the buoy, figuring that was my safest bet.

As you'll see from the pics, even the Navy and tugboats were hugging the buoys.

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Yep, there were ships and subs of every variety coming in and out of the bay today!

every time I see you you are fishing...lol...

RK · 10-14-2011, 08:05 PM

Bob-
Good seeing you today...

I don't want you to take this as a dig because I think your a really nice dude but;

Go buy the forty dollar ritchie compass, electronics fail and direction and bearing are important for your safety....

You can somewhat easily navigate the whiteout if needed by following the lobby buoys back along the point and into the reserve....

You or anyone might be comfortable in that setting but what about the other guy flying around in the cabin cruiser like today

.. That could turn bad quick...

BUY A REAL COMPASS......

I hope you enjoyed the fishing time though, that terrible red tide kept things peaceful. Hopefully your drive got fixed too buddy

I dont care what anyone says I love the lobster buoys makes fishing more fun and safe

mtnbykr2 · 10-14-2011, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RK

Bob-
Good seeing you today...

I don't want you to take this as a dig because I think your a really nice dude but;

Go buy the forty dollar ritchie compass, electronics fail and direction and bearing are important for your safety....

You can somewhat easily navigate the whiteout if needed by following the lobby buoys back along the point and into the reserve....

You or anyone might be comfortable in that setting but what about the other guy flying around in the cabin cruiser like today

.. That could turn bad quick...

BUY A REAL COMPASS......

I hope you enjoyed the fishing time though, that terrible red tide kept things peaceful. Hopefully your drive got fixed too buddy

I dont care what anyone says I love the lobster buoys makes fishing more fun and safe

x2

dsafety · 10-14-2011, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by thefisher

Dsafety, are you familiar with the Navionics App for iphone?

Yes, I am familiar with the app. It is OK but not great when installed on a phone. For today's purpose it was very useful as a way to figure out where I was. On a larger screen than what you get on a phone it would be much more useful. The app is quite powerful, allowing you to track where you have been, save waypoints and review your trip online.

For all of those ragging about not having a compass on the boat, the one on my phone works just fine. Unless the phone battery fails, it is just as good as any that I might mount on the boat.

The problem today was one that a compass could not solve. I could figure out what direction I was going but not where I was. To be truthful, I was probably never in very much danger. I could always find land by just heading east or heading toward the barking sea lions or the sound of the surf.

The point that I am trying to make in this post is that if you have a smart phone, (these days you can buy one for less than $50), you can load apps that can come in very handy when stuff like this comes up.

Bob

GregAndrew · 10-14-2011, 09:20 PM

Unless you are charting your course, a compass is not going to be of much help in those conditions. I will grant that it could point you towards land (East), but it is not going to show you the way home or a safe landing for that matter.

MVC · 10-15-2011, 06:32 AM

I fished at Dana Point yesterday and about 1:00 the fog came in very heavy. I was out at the kelp in front of Salt Creek. I always carry a small handheld GPS and just followed my track line back to the harbor.

T Bone · 10-15-2011, 06:52 AM

And if you are going to get a smart phone,consider the G'zone Commando WATERPROOF ANDROID !!!

Glad you are OK.Fog can be freaky.I love when it lifts to reveal a sunny day!
Eventually someone will put a radar on their kayak.I would have bet Doug(DGAX) would have been the first,but I think he moved out of state...

pchen911 · 10-15-2011, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GregAndrew

Unless you are charting your course, a compass is not going to be of much help in those conditions. I will grant that it could point you towards land (East), but it is not going to show you the way home or a safe landing for that matter.

Exactly.

I carried a compass for years, never used it.

When fog is pea soup thick, you can use the swell direction to get your bearing.

At La Jolla, I launched in pea soup many time before and used the just the swell to guide myself to the pier for bait (compass stayed inside the dry box all the time), then hop from reserve bouy to reserve bouy to the corner of the reserve, then went towards the point using just the swell as guide, then along the kelp edge to the outside. Never using the compass I was carrying.

A GPS is much more useful, you can still fish your designated spots and not just directionally navigate. A handheld GPS is cheap and useful on every outing. (Walmart is having a clearance, they are discontinuing their handheld GPS... If they have any left over that is. A Garmin Venture HC is only $20 (normally around $100), A magellan Triton 500 for $80 (Normally $250)).

William Novotny · 10-15-2011, 08:55 AM

Got store cred at walmart! Whoop whoop!!! On my way!

William Novotny · 10-15-2011, 09:04 AM

I think the point dsafety was making is that we have an extra availible resourse at our desposal that often goes unnoticed. My friend hooked into a mama thresher on wed. that took him on a 3 hour sled ride almost 10 miles towards catalina. Wasn't until the battle was over that he realized the battery on his finder/gps had died. Lucky for him it was a clear day and no fog bank rolled in but the next day he said that's all he could think about the whole time. I asked him if he had a smart phone and if he could just use the gps on that. He never even thought to use it. Its a powerful tool that often gets overlooked. But I also agree that it should be a backup and not a primary saftey tool. Phones are not as reliable as electronics made to perform in the conditions we are using them in.

todd one · 10-15-2011, 02:56 PM

Thanx for sharing this. I'm new to kayak fishing. Getting lost in the fog is something I never payed a thought to. This story is an eye opener.

deepdvr · 10-15-2011, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by William Novotny

My friend hooked into a mama thresher on wed. that took him on a 3 hour sled ride almost 10 miles towards catalina.

William Novotny · 10-15-2011, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by deepdvr

I would have cut the line after 3 miles and said

to whatever was on the other end

10-14-2011, 07:00 PM	#1
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,121	Another Lesson Learned I went out at LJ today for the first time in a long time. The day looked promising when I got on the road for a planned 10:00 launch. As I crested the bluff and headed down the hill to the beach, I noticed a couple of things. The surf was non-existent, always a good thing when launching a kayak. The other thing I noticed was the dark gray marine layer, hundreds of feet thick, sitting a few miles off shore. I got to the launch, rigged up and headed out into the tea-colored water. I was all by myself. As I headed out, I ran across another yakfisher coming in, (I will call him Mr. X), who had a nice fish strapped to the back of his kayak. Hopefully Mr. X will tell his story one of these days. About the time I reached the reserve buoys, the marine layer had engulfed me. It was really thick and getting thicker. After about fifteen minutes heading, (hopefully), west, I realized that I had no idea where I was or what direction I was going. The only clue was the occasional bark of a sea lion and the crashing of the waves at some beach, (Boomers?). The marine layer was so thick and dense that I could not even see the sun and use it as a navigational marker. I have been fishing in fog before but never as dense as this. After a while, it became clear to me that if I could not figure out where I was or what direction I was headed, I could be in some serious trouble. The good news is that I have an iPhone that I always carry with me while out fishing. The better news is that this phone has a bunch of tools that helped to save my bacon today. The phone, (along with most smart phones), has a standard compass app. This is great but if you have no idea where you are, just going east to try to get home could have some unforeseen consequences. I could have landed at Boomers and been smacked by a a six foot breaker. I have a couple other apps on my phone which came in very handy today. Most of these apps use GPS coordinates to plot the phone's position at any given time. The savior today was Navionics. This app showed where I was on a nautical map and also showed what direction I was headed. To my great surprise, I found that even though I had been peddling West, (supposedly) for almost an hour against a strong wind, I had not made much progress. I was barely past the reserve buoys and had been heading mostly north. With the help of the iPhone technology, I was able to get myself pointed in the right direction. By noon, the fog had lifted and I was able to get a full day of fishing in. For those who may be interested, there was no catching associated with this day of fishing. The main point of this post is that even for those of us who have spent quite a bit of time on the water, Mom Nature can sometimes dish out some unexpected and dangerous conditions. Smart Phones are great tool that can help yakfishers cope with with problems on the water. My recommendation is that you have a smart phone, load it up with the appropriate safety and navigation apps and bring it with you. If you do not have a smart phone, you should seriously consider getting one. Bob

10-14-2011, 07:05 PM	#2
wiredantz Currently @ MLO Territory Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Under the Shadow Posts: 2,290	D-safety, Are you actually admitting on this post??? That you do not have an actual compass on your kayak??? Must of been a nightmare not know which direction was which, thanks for the report this is one reason i carry my iphone with me too. __________________ Team: Disbanded You only have one chance in this life...make the right decision(s)...so you don't regret it

10-14-2011, 07:41 PM	#6
Regor Greg Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chula Vista, ca Posts: 509	I too went fishing today, but went to the Bay. The Bay is busy enough on a clear day, but with visibility of less than 100 feet, just plain crazy out there. Some PB'ers were carefull, lots of horn blowing. Then some were cruising as if they could see for miles. I was already a few hours into my day of fishing, and an hour peddle out to the mouth of the Jetty when the marine layer rolled in.. There was no turning around. All I could do was fish around the buoy, figuring that was my safest bet. As you'll see from the pics, even the Navy and tugboats were hugging the buoys. Just what is it? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . Yep, there were ships and subs of every variety coming in and out of the bay today! Last edited by Regor; 10-15-2011 at 09:24 AM.

10-14-2011, 07:45 PM	#7
wiredantz Currently @ MLO Territory Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Under the Shadow Posts: 2,290	Cool BEANs!!! You should of asked for a tour of the sub __________________ Team: Disbanded You only have one chance in this life...make the right decision(s)...so you don't regret it

10-14-2011, 08:05 PM	#9
RK Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 736	Bob- Good seeing you today... I don't want you to take this as a dig because I think your a really nice dude but; Go buy the forty dollar ritchie compass, electronics fail and direction and bearing are important for your safety.... You can somewhat easily navigate the whiteout if needed by following the lobby buoys back along the point and into the reserve.... You or anyone might be comfortable in that setting but what about the other guy flying around in the cabin cruiser like today.. That could turn bad quick... BUY A REAL COMPASS...... I hope you enjoyed the fishing time though, that terrible red tide kept things peaceful. Hopefully your drive got fixed too buddy I dont care what anyone says I love the lobster buoys makes fishing more fun and safe

10-14-2011, 07:10 PM	#3
roby CEO of Team Roby Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 905	I'm glad you made it back safely Bob. Thanks for the report and advice

10-14-2011, 07:18 PM	#4
thefisher Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 36	Dsafety, are you familiar with the Navionics App for iphone?

10-14-2011, 09:20 PM	#12
GregAndrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,384	Unless you are charting your course, a compass is not going to be of much help in those conditions. I will grant that it could point you towards land (East), but it is not going to show you the way home or a safe landing for that matter.

10-15-2011, 06:32 AM	#13
MVC Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Costa Mesa Posts: 278	I fished at Dana Point yesterday and about 1:00 the fog came in very heavy. I was out at the kelp in front of Salt Creek. I always carry a small handheld GPS and just followed my track line back to the harbor.

10-15-2011, 06:52 AM	#14
T Bone Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Redlands CA Posts: 871	And if you are going to get a smart phone,consider the G'zone Commando WATERPROOF ANDROID !!! Glad you are OK.Fog can be freaky.I love when it lifts to reveal a sunny day! Eventually someone will put a radar on their kayak.I would have bet Doug(DGAX) would have been the first,but I think he moved out of state... __________________ Barachit Baralah,Elohim-In the beginning,God-Genesis 1:1 "Who among you,if your son asked for a fish would give them a serpent " Jesus Matt. 7:10

10-15-2011, 08:55 AM	#16
William Novotny The carpetbagger Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: tha newps Posts: 1,474	Got store cred at walmart! Whoop whoop!!! On my way!

10-15-2011, 09:04 AM	#17
William Novotny The carpetbagger Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: tha newps Posts: 1,474	I think the point dsafety was making is that we have an extra availible resourse at our desposal that often goes unnoticed. My friend hooked into a mama thresher on wed. that took him on a 3 hour sled ride almost 10 miles towards catalina. Wasn't until the battle was over that he realized the battery on his finder/gps had died. Lucky for him it was a clear day and no fog bank rolled in but the next day he said that's all he could think about the whole time. I asked him if he had a smart phone and if he could just use the gps on that. He never even thought to use it. Its a powerful tool that often gets overlooked. But I also agree that it should be a backup and not a primary saftey tool. Phones are not as reliable as electronics made to perform in the conditions we are using them in.

10-15-2011, 02:56 PM	#18
todd one Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 364	Thanx for sharing this. I'm new to kayak fishing. Getting lost in the fog is something I never payed a thought to. This story is an eye opener.