Manhatten Beach Pier and the DFG - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Saba Slayer · 08-05-2014, 08:33 PM

Manhattan Beach Pier and the DFG

I was at the DFG Marine Resources meeting in San Diego today to listen to the latest report from the Department on the Lobster FMP.
A report from the head of enforcement was one of the first items on the agenda. He talked about the Manhattan Beach pier and the Great White Shark bite incident.
Both Commissioners Sutton and Kellogg were there and they had some choice comments on the affair.
Here are a few of my attempts at quoting them…the quotes may not be exact but they are pretty close…I made notes as fast as I could write.
The head of enforcement said that the city didn’t have the right to regulate the type of line, weight capacity of line, or size of hooks. Regulating the method of take or type of gear is not within their scope of legality.
Zonke (the Commission Executive Director) said… “ they are stepping on the State’s authority and the State Constitution.”
Sutton said…”not a damn thing to do with fishing but a social issue…I will be very hostile on racial and social issues…Manhattan Beach doesn’t like it and I don’t care…”
They then went on to talk about how they feel the city would like to shut down fishing on the pier in-order to get rid of the inner city element that comes down there to take advantage of the no license needed pier. Sutton said that it was “the camel poking his nose under the tent”…and the shutdown of the Manhatten Pier would be followed by a domino effect. They implied that they would do all they could, to prevent any fishing shutdown on that pier or any other.
Sara from “Heal the Bay” suggested that the commissioners should draft a letter at tomorrows full DFG Commission meeting in SD and send it to the MB city council before their upcoming meeting on the 12th.
Enforcement said that chumming and fish cleaning can be controlled by the city and that swimming is not allowed within a certain distance from the pier but that regulation was not being enforced by the city. He also said “the city needs to work with the DFW rather than criticize their investigation of the incident.”
Lastly they said that the State Lands Commission holds the lease to the pier and will not allow any more than the current 60 day fishing closure to occur.
Quite interesting to see them all react as they did…I enjoyed the show.
Jim / Saba Slayer

momo fish · 08-05-2014, 08:40 PM

Why does the name Sara from heal the bay make my skin cring. Is she the same person that promoted some of the closures along the coast such as Malibu ? Could be wrong so correct me if so.

Glad they will fight for that pier. Took my kids surfing today right near it.

Saba Slayer · 08-05-2014, 08:56 PM

That's the same Sara... it was refreshing to see them defending pier fishing...or any consumptive fishing for that matter!
She was on the Lobster LAC, so I saw her quite often for about two years at the many meetings. She's a tough gal to deal with.
Jim / Saba Slayer

momo fish · 08-05-2014, 09:15 PM

Your a very polite man Jim. Not sure I would describe her that way but then again I tend to speak with no filter at times much to the dismay of my wife

Good work as always keeping us informed!

Ricsen · 08-05-2014, 10:00 PM

Refreshing to see they are planning to stand up and support the rights of the people fishing there. Sounds like they are headed in the right direction. I just hope they stay the course.......and follow through to restore fishing from the pier. Thanks for making the meeting and posting the update.

skrilla · 08-05-2014, 11:56 PM

Jim, thank you for the inside scoop. Very interesting stuff. Definitely keep us posted for those of us unable to make it to these. It is much appreciated.

wiredantz · 08-06-2014, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by skrilla

Jim, thank you for the inside scoop. Very interesting stuff. Definitely keep us posted for those of us unable to make it to these. It is much appreciated.

thanks for the scoop....it was always starts small to take away bigger things

08-05-2014, 08:33 PM	#1
Saba Slayer Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Palos Verdes Posts: 1,833	Manhatten Beach Pier and the DFG Manhattan Beach Pier and the DFG I was at the DFG Marine Resources meeting in San Diego today to listen to the latest report from the Department on the Lobster FMP. A report from the head of enforcement was one of the first items on the agenda. He talked about the Manhattan Beach pier and the Great White Shark bite incident. Both Commissioners Sutton and Kellogg were there and they had some choice comments on the affair. Here are a few of my attempts at quoting them…the quotes may not be exact but they are pretty close…I made notes as fast as I could write. The head of enforcement said that the city didn’t have the right to regulate the type of line, weight capacity of line, or size of hooks. Regulating the method of take or type of gear is not within their scope of legality. Zonke (the Commission Executive Director) said… “ they are stepping on the State’s authority and the State Constitution.” Sutton said…”not a damn thing to do with fishing but a social issue…I will be very hostile on racial and social issues…Manhattan Beach doesn’t like it and I don’t care…” They then went on to talk about how they feel the city would like to shut down fishing on the pier in-order to get rid of the inner city element that comes down there to take advantage of the no license needed pier. Sutton said that it was “the camel poking his nose under the tent”…and the shutdown of the Manhatten Pier would be followed by a domino effect. They implied that they would do all they could, to prevent any fishing shutdown on that pier or any other. Sara from “Heal the Bay” suggested that the commissioners should draft a letter at tomorrows full DFG Commission meeting in SD and send it to the MB city council before their upcoming meeting on the 12th. Enforcement said that chumming and fish cleaning can be controlled by the city and that swimming is not allowed within a certain distance from the pier but that regulation was not being enforced by the city. He also said “the city needs to work with the DFW rather than criticize their investigation of the incident.” Lastly they said that the State Lands Commission holds the lease to the pier and will not allow any more than the current 60 day fishing closure to occur. Quite interesting to see them all react as they did…I enjoyed the show. Jim / Saba Slayer

08-05-2014, 08:56 PM	#3
Saba Slayer Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Palos Verdes Posts: 1,833	Sara That's the same Sara... it was refreshing to see them defending pier fishing...or any consumptive fishing for that matter! She was on the Lobster LAC, so I saw her quite often for about two years at the many meetings. She's a tough gal to deal with. Jim / Saba Slayer

08-05-2014, 11:56 PM	#6
skrilla Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 664	Jim, thank you for the inside scoop. Very interesting stuff. Definitely keep us posted for those of us unable to make it to these. It is much appreciated. __________________ Urban Camo Trident 13

08-05-2014, 08:40 PM	#2
momo fish Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Camarillo Posts: 1,491	Why does the name Sara from heal the bay make my skin cring. Is she the same person that promoted some of the closures along the coast such as Malibu ? Could be wrong so correct me if so. Glad they will fight for that pier. Took my kids surfing today right near it.

08-05-2014, 09:15 PM	#4
momo fish Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Camarillo Posts: 1,491	Your a very polite man Jim. Not sure I would describe her that way but then again I tend to speak with no filter at times much to the dismay of my wife Good work as always keeping us informed!

08-05-2014, 10:00 PM	#5
Ricsen Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 65	Refreshing to see they are planning to stand up and support the rights of the people fishing there. Sounds like they are headed in the right direction. I just hope they stay the course.......and follow through to restore fishing from the pier. Thanks for making the meeting and posting the update.