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ful-rac · 08-27-2013, 07:06 AM

We could only be so lucky...dead and dying sea lions...where? I think Jim has got a pretty f-up finger must be the radiation...we're doomed!

easyday · 08-27-2013, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ful-rac

We could only be so lucky...dead and dying sea lions...where? I think Jim has got a pretty f-up finger must be the radiation...we're doomed!

Haha who could ask for more dead sea lions. And I dont know I frequent the coast as all of us do and I have yet to see an "epidemic" of dead sea lions...too bad though lobster season is coming up.

Ggiannig89 · 08-27-2013, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ful-rac

We could only be so lucky...dead and dying sea lions...where? I think Jim has got a pretty f-up finger must be the radiation...we're doomed!

When I read that part about the sea lions I knew immediately this article was BS

makobob · 08-27-2013, 08:24 AM

Glad I am wearing my waders, easier to get rid of the BS. Dead sea lions, wonder if they make good lobster bait?

walrus · 08-27-2013, 09:44 AM

You can decide for yourself what you want to believe. Soothsayers that claim the world will end have been around since Roman Times. They're right, it will end. But when?

Is this what will do it? Here is another point of view to add to the discussion.

Oceans magazine

What Does the Fukushima Leak Mean for America?

Aug 22, 2013 05:00 AM ET // by Larry O'Hanlon

New revelations about leaks of hundreds of gallons of radioactive water from the tsunami-damaged Fukushima nuclear facility in Japan have stoked fears across the Pacific Ocean. And while there are valid reasons to be concerned, the claim that thousands of people in the United States have already been fatally poisoned by Fukushima radiation in seawater is not one of them. Let's put that conspiracy theory to rest.

“If there were thousands here there would be millions in Japan, and we're not seeing that,” said Ken Buesseler, an oceanographer who specializes in studying natural and man-made radioactivity in the oceans. The current radioactivity levels leaking into the sea are a thousand times lower than they were in 2011, when three of the nuclear reactors melted down, he said.

That's not to say there is no hazard. Intensive monitoring of sea water and fish show a severe radioactive cesium problem near the leaks, and fish from that area are no longer being caught or sold. But dilution causes the radiation levels to drop quickly in the open ocean, Buesseler said. In fact the radiation from Fukushima cesium a few kilometers away is less than that of naturally occurring polonium (210-Po) in seawater.

“We don't want to add to it,” said Buesseler, “but not every atom kills.”
In fact studies on migratory blue fin tuna that cross the Pacific show the fish have detectable amounts of Fukushima radiation. But they don't pose any more danger than a person would get from a single dental x-ray, according to Nicolas Fisher, a researcher at SUNY-Stonybrook who has been studying the radiation in fish.
“We showed that doses in all cases (from blue fin tuna) were dominated by the naturally occurring alpha-emitter 210-Po and that Fukushima-derived doses were three to four orders of magnitude below 210 Po-derived doses,” wrote Fisher and colleagues in a June paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science.
“Doses to marine biota were about two orders of magnitude below the lowest benchmark protection level proposed for ecosystems.... Such doses are comparable to, or less than, the dose all humans routinely obtain from naturally occurring radionuclides in many food items, medical treatments, air travel, or other background sources,” the authors wrote.

On the other hand, the Fukushima radiation problem is far from over and it's changing, Buesseler said. He is watching, in particular, the radionuclide strontium-90, which has a much longer half-life than the radioactive cesium. Strontium has the additional worrisome habit of getting locked up in bones, which allows it to irradiate tissues around it for years, he said. Strontium was not initially a big worry at Fukushima, as cesium was present in much larger amounts. But that could be changing in the Fukushima groundwater, he said.

"If that gets into the food supply and in the fish, then it's a much bigger hazard," said Buesseler. "I do have a concern."

Still, he emphasized, it will be largely a local hazard, not an ocean-wide or even a Japan-wide concern. He and his colleagues will be continuing to monitor the situation independently, including getting more water samples from the ocean near Fukushima to see if the strontium reaches the ocean.

beef78 · 08-27-2013, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by walrus

You can decide for yourself what you want to believe. Soothsayers that claim the world will end have been around since Roman Times. They're right, it will end. But when?

Much better info. See how there's science in it. Nice.

da22y · 08-27-2013, 11:05 AM

Should we all wear nuclear protection drysuit , and do catch and release ?
I think I am just gonna do just the same, we all gonna die any way.

wbrewski · 11-25-2013, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by makobob

Glad I am wearing my waders, easier to get rid of the BS. Dead sea lions, wonder if they make good lobster bait?

Just think ,radiated lobsters growing to 10 to 40 lb. We will need bigger hoop nets.

I am too old to worry about this.

StinkyMatt · 11-25-2013, 11:11 AM

I once wore a pair of socks that had holes in them. On the big toe!

After a few hours of wearing these socks I changed them.

.....

......
(Completely useless info above, just like the "research" posted earlier in the post)

A serious discussion based on facts is worth having. A bunch of Internet crap posted under the guise of data is useless. Just because you heard it or read it somewhere does not make it factual.

Frank, you should know better by now.

wiredantz · 11-25-2013, 02:11 PM

California Department of Toxic Fish and Wildlife

bubblehide · 11-25-2013, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wbrewski

Just think ,radiated lobsters growing to 10 to 40 lb. We will need bigger hoop nets.

I am too old to worry about this.

Alpha area off of San Nick still has 40 pounders, well they sure did the last time I was there. But that spot is by invitation only now; and you have to be a fitted member of the club. Brewski, weren't you once a member? On a side note, I would be surprised if radiation from all those tubes heading out to sea was the cause of those lobster getting so darn large.

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08-27-2013, 09:44 AM	#5
walrus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Baja fish camp Posts: 478	You can decide for yourself what you want to believe. Soothsayers that claim the world will end have been around since Roman Times. They're right, it will end. But when? Is this what will do it? Here is another point of view to add to the discussion. Oceans magazine What Does the Fukushima Leak Mean for America? Aug 22, 2013 05:00 AM ET // by Larry O'Hanlon New revelations about leaks of hundreds of gallons of radioactive water from the tsunami-damaged Fukushima nuclear facility in Japan have stoked fears across the Pacific Ocean. And while there are valid reasons to be concerned, the claim that thousands of people in the United States have already been fatally poisoned by Fukushima radiation in seawater is not one of them. Let's put that conspiracy theory to rest. “If there were thousands here there would be millions in Japan, and we're not seeing that,” said Ken Buesseler, an oceanographer who specializes in studying natural and man-made radioactivity in the oceans. The current radioactivity levels leaking into the sea are a thousand times lower than they were in 2011, when three of the nuclear reactors melted down, he said. That's not to say there is no hazard. Intensive monitoring of sea water and fish show a severe radioactive cesium problem near the leaks, and fish from that area are no longer being caught or sold. But dilution causes the radiation levels to drop quickly in the open ocean, Buesseler said. In fact the radiation from Fukushima cesium a few kilometers away is less than that of naturally occurring polonium (210-Po) in seawater. “We don't want to add to it,” said Buesseler, “but not every atom kills.” In fact studies on migratory blue fin tuna that cross the Pacific show the fish have detectable amounts of Fukushima radiation. But they don't pose any more danger than a person would get from a single dental x-ray, according to Nicolas Fisher, a researcher at SUNY-Stonybrook who has been studying the radiation in fish. “We showed that doses in all cases (from blue fin tuna) were dominated by the naturally occurring alpha-emitter 210-Po and that Fukushima-derived doses were three to four orders of magnitude below 210 Po-derived doses,” wrote Fisher and colleagues in a June paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science. “Doses to marine biota were about two orders of magnitude below the lowest benchmark protection level proposed for ecosystems.... Such doses are comparable to, or less than, the dose all humans routinely obtain from naturally occurring radionuclides in many food items, medical treatments, air travel, or other background sources,” the authors wrote. On the other hand, the Fukushima radiation problem is far from over and it's changing, Buesseler said. He is watching, in particular, the radionuclide strontium-90, which has a much longer half-life than the radioactive cesium. Strontium has the additional worrisome habit of getting locked up in bones, which allows it to irradiate tissues around it for years, he said. Strontium was not initially a big worry at Fukushima, as cesium was present in much larger amounts. But that could be changing in the Fukushima groundwater, he said. "If that gets into the food supply and in the fish, then it's a much bigger hazard," said Buesseler. "I do have a concern." Still, he emphasized, it will be largely a local hazard, not an ocean-wide or even a Japan-wide concern. He and his colleagues will be continuing to monitor the situation independently, including getting more water samples from the ocean near Fukushima to see if the strontium reaches the ocean.

08-27-2013, 11:05 AM	#7
da22y Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 265	Should we all wear nuclear protection drysuit , and do catch and release ? I think I am just gonna do just the same, we all gonna die any way.

11-25-2013, 11:11 AM	#9
StinkyMatt Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Under a bridge Posts: 2,168	I once wore a pair of socks that had holes in them. On the big toe! After a few hours of wearing these socks I changed them. ..... ...... (Completely useless info above, just like the "research" posted earlier in the post) A serious discussion based on facts is worth having. A bunch of Internet crap posted under the guise of data is useless. Just because you heard it or read it somewhere does not make it factual. Frank, you should know better by now.