What intell should a real "fishing report" include?

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by BrokeLoser

Also, with regard to sharing hot spots. Have you noticed that some of the best fishermen...Iceman (Andy) and (Fiskadoro) Jim Day to name a couple generally have no problem sharing detailed information...ironic?

Since my name was brought up.... I think your confusing general info and bite info. I post information but it is really all just general information, and it's never about particular bites, or wide open bites.

Saying something like: BKR is a good place to fish seabass in the spring, or tanker Cs usually hang in the kelp then actively come out and feed when the water hit's 63 degrees is not the same as saying: "The fish are wide open at La Jolla go there right now!!!" I just do not post info on wide open bites, and I haven't for almost a decade.

I'll be straight up...

For years now I've had a group of kayakers who have and continue to claim that I post wide open bite info online, that I'm somehow going to ruin Kayak fishing by telling everyone the hot bites or spots.

They tell everyone that will listen that I will tell the whole world where to go fish if I get the word it's wide open bite, and I'm guessing that chances are you might of even met some of them.

It's a myth, a lie and it was largely started by one jerk who for some reason has hated my guts since day one, and who's also evidently absolutely insane. I'm guessing this will never stop, and as a result I almost never post reports online. Anywhere!!!

As William Burroughs once said avoid the mentally ill. The last thing I want to give is more fuel for this lunatic's and his crazy lynch mobs fire.

I also do not want them to know where I fish, when I fish, and in general I avoid the bigger well known hot bites that I know they will frequent because I don't even want to run into them on the water. I like fishing alone, I also like to find my own fish anyway, so I don't feel like I have to run to the next hot bite or deal with any resulting drama on the water.

No doubt they see this as a big internet victory, like they personally "shut me up". Well it sounds good, but I never posted that much bite info anyway because like pretty much everyone else that's been around online for a long time,after more then a decade online I know there are things you can and can't post.

I mean honestly if you look for my reports your not going to find that many, and none of them are about wide open bites. The last one I posted here was I think was about SBI a place that most people will never fish because it's fifty miles offshore. I may of posted one Lobster report with No Location!! info this last season, but that is about it.

Read my only La Jolla Yellowtail report posted here. It was about two fish I caught on a bite that already was well known and pretty much over, and it was years ago. Most people don't remember that it was also posted the day the weather changed and the wind came up. I knew from the forecast La Jolla was blown out for a week, there was only a tiny amount of squid still there, so the bite was done. There were no crowds, they were not overfished, I think it was a few weeks before anyone even caught another Yellow or seabass in the area.

So bottom line: I'm not sure why you think I post detailed information about bites online, but the truth is I don't post that kind of info and I'm not likely to do it in anytime in the near future.

[BrokeLoser]

Originally Posted by Fiskadoro

Since my name was brought up.... I think your confusing general info and bite info. I post information but it is really all just general information, and it's never about particular bites, or wide open bites.

Saying something like: BKR is a good place to fish seabass in the spring, or tanker Cs usually hang in the kelp then actively come out and feed when the water hit's 63 degrees is not the same as saying: "The fish are wide open at La Jolla go there right now!!!" I just do not post info on wide open bites, and I haven't for almost a decade.

I'll be straight up...

For years now I've had a group of kayakers who have and continue to claim that I post wide open bite info online, that I'm somehow going to ruin Kayak fishing by telling everyone the hot bites or spots.

They tell everyone that will listen that I will tell the whole world where to go fish if I get the word it's wide open bite, and I'm guessing that chances are you might of even met some of them.

It's a myth, a lie and it was largely started by one jerk who for some reason has hated my guts since day one, and who's also evidently absolutely insane. I'm guessing this will never stop, and as a result I almost never post reports online. Anywhere!!!

As William Burroughs once said avoid the mentally ill. The last thing I want to give is more fuel for this lunatic's and his crazy lynch mobs fire.

I also do not want them to know where I fish, when I fish, and in general I avoid the bigger well known hot bites that I know they will frequent because I don't even want to run into them on the water. I like fishing alone, I also like to find my own fish anyway, so I don't feel like I have to run to the next hot bite or deal with any resulting drama on the water.

No doubt they see this as a big internet victory, like they personally "shut me up". Well it sounds good, but I never posted that much bite info anyway because like pretty much everyone else that's been around online for a long time,after more then a decade online I know there are things you can and can't post.

I mean honestly if you look for my reports your not going to find that many, and none of them are about wide open bites. The last one I posted here was I think was about SBI a place that most people will never fish because it's fifty miles offshore. I may of posted one Lobster report with No Location!! info this last season, but that is about it.

Read my only La Jolla Yellowtail report posted here. It was about two fish I caught on a bite that already was well known and pretty much over, and it was years ago. Most people don't remember that it was also posted the day the weather changed and the wind came up. I knew from the forecast La Jolla was blown out for a week, there was only a tiny amount of squid still there, so the bite was done. There were no crowds, they were not overfished, I think it was a few weeks before anyone even caught another Yellow or seabass in the area.

So bottom line: I'm not sure why you think I post detailed information about bites online, but the truth is I don't post that kind of info and I'm not likely to do it in anytime in the near future.

WOW!
This is what's happening among the fishing community...accuse a guy of being helpful to others and he gets offended...sad.
Jim, you may need to read my post again. I didn't say anything about you giving specific information related to "hot bites" or wide open bites. I said:

"Also, with regard to sharing hot spots. Have you noticed that some of the best fishermen...Iceman (Andy) and (Fiskadoro) Jim Day to name a couple generally have no problem sharing detailed information...ironic?"

I'm not trying to throw you under the bus but I've read your posts on another site where you gave some pretty good information on how and where to fish Catalina. I've used your information and have done well at the island with it...Thanks for that. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by BrokeLoser

WOW! I've read your posts on another site where you gave some pretty good information on how and where to fish Catalina. I've used your information and have done well at the island with it...Thanks for that. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

I'm not ashamed or mad, I'm just telling you how I see it from my perspective, and trying to possibly shorten your learning curve.

Giving information on fishing Catalina Island or Santa Barbara Island is different then posting a local La Jolla report. Especially on this board where so few have access to that fishery. That channel keeps a lot of people away from the island and posting info about fishing there is not the same is posting inshore information about bite closer to local harbors.

As to what I've posted about Catalina on BWE. Well the truth is very few kayakers fish Catalina, not enough in my honest opinion, and I want more guys to try it. It's a great place to fish and you guys are missing out. Most people that do take their boats across the channel usually stay in their boats, but it's a hell of a place to fish from a yak.

In general the detailed areas I talk about at Catalina are for the most part are very hard to fish from a skiff and could only be fished well from a kayak. There are areas like some of the little beaches that would be great areas to fish from a yak, that get almost zero pressure be cause you can't really hit them right from a skiff or big boat.

Also with Catalina conditions are in constant flux and the fish always on the move so giving people info about spots on the island is not as big a deal because there is so much area to fish and for the most part very few people fishing it. There are literally thousands of La Jolla like spots at the island. It's twenty miles long with a ton of good areas to fish both front and back. Unless you are fishing with the fleet on some "hot bite" that someone posted on BD or another site, your usually pretty much fishing alone, so if you find a red hot bite you're miles away from an port or location where hundreds of boats could come out at a moment notice.

It's just not like La Jolla or Rocky Point where the whole fleet is only ten minutes away, or where one careless post could mobilize thousands of people.

For the most part the same rules apply though. If you post hoop locations at Catalina they will get overrun by divers and hoop netters, and over time the spot will get over fished and go down the tubes. Posting Seabass bites there might not have the same immediate impact of posting a inshore bite, but if the bite lasts long enough posting info about it online can lead to the same kind of crowds and overfishing.

My general rule of thumb is if everyone is fishing one location at Catalina due to some internet post I take note of those conditions, and then find another area at the island where the same conditions exist but I do not have to fish in a crowd. It's a big island plenty of places to fish.

It's really tempting when your new to want to just follow the crowd. My take is you need to learn first how to find and catch your own fish, then you won't need the crowd or even want to fish with them. Sometimes it is tempting to run to the hot spot that everyone's fishing but that truth is if they are all fishing that one spot there are probably other areas holding fish, maybe with even better bites, and probably a lot less hassle.

[yaker81]

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[Dannowar]

This isn't fun Anymore.....I quit kayak fishing...































Just kidding I'm on the water now....annnnny second.....

[easyday]

Originally Posted by Dannowar

This isn't fun Anymore.....I quit kayak fishing...Just kidding I'm on the water now....annnnny second.....

If you quit can I have all your numbers? Haha
:beer:

[BrokeLoser]

Originally Posted by yaker81

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Retracted your post? Come on don't be scared you put a lot of time and effort in that post.