WCW Poll - next season start - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

nmbrinkman · 04-15-2008, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan

Brad nailed it on all points.

It's nice to see that I'm not the only one in it for the experience.

I don't like the idea of forcing guys to post a timely submission but how about maybe giving a 1 point bonus for fish caught and submitted 36 hours of being caught, .5 point bonus for fish reported within 3 days of being caught, and the deadline for a individual month's submission is midnight of the 1st on the following month (ie. fish submitted for April must be in by 11:59pm on May 1st).

I still like the idea of a "priviledged" forum for WCW participants. That would enable us to get to know each other a bit more, share some advanced techniques and whatnot. I would say share "hot" info but loose lips may sink that ship. A confidentiality agreement seems a bit over-the-top. I'd sign one though if it helped make the tourney more competitive though. Not sure what the consensus will be on that topic. Either way, a WCW forum would be nice.

tylerdurden · 04-15-2008, 08:10 AM

People calling WCW a "second job" and such illustrates the difference in attitudes some people have about the competition. I think fishing is supposed to be fun, not a second job. If you want to be that competitive about something there are real sports to play.

Why enter if you don't want to win...
All of us would like to win, but in reality everyone knows that those that spend the most time on the water will win. The top 3 have much more flexible fishing schedules than the rest and are far and away ahead of the everyone points wise. I don't have a problem with that. It's the way it should be. But if the only people that entered were those that have a chance to win, there would be about 4 entries. Just about anyone in the top 10+ entrants is skilled enough to win if they had the time and the commitment to WCW. Some entered for the experience, some to be part of something, some to show they are the best kayak fisherman on the planet, some to brag, some for internet ego, some becuase they want to support the site and people that got them into fishing in the first place and so on. If you want more people to join you have to give those that have no chance of winning an incentive. If you ease the rules to give everyone a chance it becomes more like a lottery and skill and time account for less.

I agree that fish should be posted by the end of the month. When there is a 7 day leeway you can wonder if the fish submitted was really caught during the correct month. Having a WCW only forum would be nice, but timely reports posted on there would leak so fast. I think people have a false sense of idealism about it. Do you really think the top guys are going to give away GPS #'s, hot bite info and everything on a WCW forum? There are no "advanced techniques" that are secrets. All advanced techniques used can be readily found on these public forums. Most of the time it boils down to averages, eventually if you drag a greenie around for enough days or hours a hungry fish will swim by and eat it. Those that spend more time are more likely to be in the right place at the right time, and the more fish you catch the more likely one will be big.

As for next years format, my two cents are 12 months, fish caught any day are eligible keeps it in the same spirit. Having monthly or quarterly one day tournaments drains people. There are already too many kayak tournaments as it is, and people are over it as evidenced by the lower participation in the Moyer tourny for the first time, the low numbers for the BWE tourny last year, and the plethora of other kayak fishing events to choose from.

Lit-up1 · 04-15-2008, 09:09 AM

I don't think a break is in order-kind of a fishy period to skip-
I like the idea of getting more fun involved into BWE-
I am totally tournamented out, but I will be down for whatever moderators
come up with probably-
Look at the big fish categories-
Nate-YT
Me WSB
I forget- HB
All to be determined in the next month, but some scores potential by people who don't have the same time on the water as the leaders seems cool. How about a monthly side jackpot for anyone who submits a fish-
randomly drawn and you can't win more than one monthly jackpot and if nobody wins that month it is a carryover to the next month---
So I like to be able to win something knowing I cannot be in the top 3
because donating to feel good about getting current fish reports is no
longer possible

since no one reports timely anymore---
On a side note it seems strange nobody reports timely-do any of the top 5 people think that the other 4 are sitting home wating to see if anyone reports a fish so then they will go out-I seriously feel thats whats going on--get reel

those top guys are on the water right now probably

steveooo · 04-15-2008, 09:20 AM

Maybe a little redundant, but heres my opinion for what its worth.
Although I am nuts in many ways, I will not throw away $40 a year to a competition I know that I can not win. I think so many of the competitors are stand-up guys. If we were hanging out at a bar or something, I would pick up a $40+ dollar tab, but I wont just throw 40 bucks into a community pot just for kicks. In it's current format, average guys with average jobs do not have a chance.
I know that with 100 guys you will get 100 different responses on what the format should be. I'll go with the majority and join if there is a chance that I can even break into the top 20. If not, I will be a spectator. I will join the 1 day tourneys, because there is more of a level playing field.
However, I am not bitching and moaning. I realize that there are guys that are competitive about fishing, competitive about fishing reports, competitive about life in general. The current format suits those people. I think the majority of guys fish for recreation, a sense of comradory, and to spend a little time away from the realities of life in the on-the-water cave.
Will I pay $40 to watch a competition? Heck yes. We all drop that kind of dough for sporting events. I do support a closed WCW forum. Not for info on the hot bites or for GPS numbers, but to keep the competition, entertainment and community going. If there is not a change, the competition and eventually the site will eventually fizzle up for fear of the recent bad vibe that has been on the site in regard to sharing a report. I think there is something special about this site, and there is a reason that so many guys have stuck it out for so long when other sites are struggling. I think that has more to do with friendship and all the other good stuff that comes as a by-product of BWE, rather than info on the hot bites.
Enough hugging, go get some

View Poll Results: Should the next WCW season start right away or should we take a break?
Yes, start it right after WCW 07 ends.	30	53.57%
No, take a break.	26	46.43%
Voters: 56. You may not vote on this poll

04-15-2008, 08:10 AM	#2
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	People calling WCW a "second job" and such illustrates the difference in attitudes some people have about the competition. I think fishing is supposed to be fun, not a second job. If you want to be that competitive about something there are real sports to play. Why enter if you don't want to win... All of us would like to win, but in reality everyone knows that those that spend the most time on the water will win. The top 3 have much more flexible fishing schedules than the rest and are far and away ahead of the everyone points wise. I don't have a problem with that. It's the way it should be. But if the only people that entered were those that have a chance to win, there would be about 4 entries. Just about anyone in the top 10+ entrants is skilled enough to win if they had the time and the commitment to WCW. Some entered for the experience, some to be part of something, some to show they are the best kayak fisherman on the planet, some to brag, some for internet ego, some becuase they want to support the site and people that got them into fishing in the first place and so on. If you want more people to join you have to give those that have no chance of winning an incentive. If you ease the rules to give everyone a chance it becomes more like a lottery and skill and time account for less. I agree that fish should be posted by the end of the month. When there is a 7 day leeway you can wonder if the fish submitted was really caught during the correct month. Having a WCW only forum would be nice, but timely reports posted on there would leak so fast. I think people have a false sense of idealism about it. Do you really think the top guys are going to give away GPS #'s, hot bite info and everything on a WCW forum? There are no "advanced techniques" that are secrets. All advanced techniques used can be readily found on these public forums. Most of the time it boils down to averages, eventually if you drag a greenie around for enough days or hours a hungry fish will swim by and eat it. Those that spend more time are more likely to be in the right place at the right time, and the more fish you catch the more likely one will be big. As for next years format, my two cents are 12 months, fish caught any day are eligible keeps it in the same spirit. Having monthly or quarterly one day tournaments drains people. There are already too many kayak tournaments as it is, and people are over it as evidenced by the lower participation in the Moyer tourny for the first time, the low numbers for the BWE tourny last year, and the plethora of other kayak fishing events to choose from. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th. Last edited by tylerdurden; 04-15-2008 at 09:17 AM. Reason: spelling and correcting mistakes

04-15-2008, 09:09 AM	#3
Lit-up1 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Point Loma Posts: 385	I don't think a break is in order-kind of a fishy period to skip- I like the idea of getting more fun involved into BWE- I am totally tournamented out, but I will be down for whatever moderators come up with probably- Look at the big fish categories- Nate-YT Me WSB I forget- HB All to be determined in the next month, but some scores potential by people who don't have the same time on the water as the leaders seems cool. How about a monthly side jackpot for anyone who submits a fish- randomly drawn and you can't win more than one monthly jackpot and if nobody wins that month it is a carryover to the next month--- So I like to be able to win something knowing I cannot be in the top 3 because donating to feel good about getting current fish reports is no longer possible since no one reports timely anymore--- On a side note it seems strange nobody reports timely-do any of the top 5 people think that the other 4 are sitting home wating to see if anyone reports a fish so then they will go out-I seriously feel thats whats going on--get reel those top guys are on the water right now probably __________________

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04-15-2008, 09:20 AM	#4
steveooo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,922	Maybe a little redundant, but heres my opinion for what its worth. Although I am nuts in many ways, I will not throw away $40 a year to a competition I know that I can not win. I think so many of the competitors are stand-up guys. If we were hanging out at a bar or something, I would pick up a $40+ dollar tab, but I wont just throw 40 bucks into a community pot just for kicks. In it's current format, average guys with average jobs do not have a chance. I know that with 100 guys you will get 100 different responses on what the format should be. I'll go with the majority and join if there is a chance that I can even break into the top 20. If not, I will be a spectator. I will join the 1 day tourneys, because there is more of a level playing field. However, I am not bitching and moaning. I realize that there are guys that are competitive about fishing, competitive about fishing reports, competitive about life in general. The current format suits those people. I think the majority of guys fish for recreation, a sense of comradory, and to spend a little time away from the realities of life in the on-the-water cave. Will I pay $40 to watch a competition? Heck yes. We all drop that kind of dough for sporting events. I do support a closed WCW forum. Not for info on the hot bites or for GPS numbers, but to keep the competition, entertainment and community going. If there is not a change, the competition and eventually the site will eventually fizzle up for fear of the recent bad vibe that has been on the site in regard to sharing a report. I think there is something special about this site, and there is a reason that so many guys have stuck it out for so long when other sites are struggling. I think that has more to do with friendship and all the other good stuff that comes as a by-product of BWE, rather than info on the hot bites. Enough hugging, go get some