Arnie and his enviro cronies screwed us--AGAIN - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

zenspearo · 09-30-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dsafety

Aah, fresh air. Thanks Zenspero for your enlightening first post in this thread. It sure got everyone's juices going. Now what should we do?

Bob

Thanks for the kind words Bob but truly, I'm just a guy thankful for the collaboration from my kayakfishing brothers.

The thanking should be done by us in the spearing community to you guys.

I can't say it anymore eloquently than your kayakfishing RSG rep. He has put out a call and I am going to try to get our spearos going as well.

http://bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?t=8445

Paul Lebowitz is completely right--this kind of "stack the deck, push for more closure than IPA" has been tried before in the North Central Coast process. This lameduck appointment of a blatantly pro-closure Commissioner at the 11th hour puts our two communities (the most selective and low-impact but also most vulnerable fishing communities) at risk.

Our earlier showings were in front of RSGs and BRTFs. This is the decider, and a new audience. And they are the ones voting which map would decide our fishing/diving future. We have to smartly, persistently, and convincingly make our case heard for our needs.

We have only two more MLPA meetings and so we spearos will not let you guys down. We will meet you there again on October 20th/21st.

I hope everyone who ever fished in our SoCal ocean or spearfishing under its waves will be there.

Location: FG&C meeting in San Diego on Oct 20-21 at the Four Points by Sheraton on Aero Drive.

PAL · 09-30-2010, 03:08 PM

Joe is right. It's time to strap it on for the final two meetings.

Stacked deck is the perfect description. The balance on the commission is so far towards the enviro NGO side, that we have to be ready to meet an all-out attack on La Jolla.

We all know how much it chafed them to leave us the north kelp. They lied - regularly - about our use areas, drummed up fake kayak anglers, and continually tried to undermine our credibility.

Even if the commission decides to go with the IPA, there are a number of changes they can choose from. The DFG doesn't like the South La Jolla MPA boundaries. That could grow to the north and south.

We also have to watch the pier bait situation. It's a complication for them. Tyler tried to tell them to move the line so it doesn't bisect the pier. They didn't listen, so we have to stay on that case too.

The Oct meeting is in San Diego. No excuses! The other side will resort to their usual dishonorable tricks. Will we see taxpayer funded bused-in schoolchildren again? Maybe.

December's meeting in Santa Barbara is jsut as important. Make a commitment now! All that we battled for together with a single voice could be lost if we don't stay on the job to the very end.

Grego · 09-30-2010, 05:32 PM

San Diego....again, don't mean a thing to the BT....we will be THERE AND IN SANTA BARBARA in force as usual to meet our brethren on the battlefield. Those that refuse to make the trek southward/northward or drop out of the road march? easy,we kick them off the board !!!

-scallywag- · 09-30-2010, 05:47 PM

bring some stones....we'll vote them out Roman senate style

zenspearo · 09-30-2010, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grego

San Diego....again, don't mean a thing to the BT....we will be THERE AND IN SANTA BARBARA in force as usual to meet our brethren on the battlefield. Those that refuse to make the trek southward/northward or drop out of the road march? easy,we kick them off the board !!!

This SD guy will be in Santa Barbara as well. And I'll bring my speargun and wetsuit to pay them fish and lobsters a visit.

dsafety · 09-30-2010, 06:46 PM

Paul and Joe, thanks for your continued efforts. I thought that we may have lost Paul for a while. Welcome back.

This is the first that I have heard about a San Diego meeting in October. If I can, I will be there but it will be the first time that I have been able to attend one of these things.

If I may make a suggestion, it would be great to have some advice, suggestions... no, lets make it instructions, as to what we should and should not do at that meeting. Many guys know what needs to be done. Many others, myself included don't have a clue.

This forum is probably not the best place to distribute those instructions. I recommend that a list of guys who are on the right side of this issue be compiled, (lets leave Stan on the sidelines for this one). Once the list has been compiled, instructions should be distributed by email or PM.

I am happy to help. When is the meeting? Who is the point guy?

Bob

Ohana · 10-01-2010, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsafety

Paul and Joe, thanks for your continued efforts. I thought that we may have lost Paul for a while. Welcome back.

This is the first that I have heard about a San Diego meeting in October. If I can, I will be there but it will be the first time that I have been able to attend one of these things.

If I may make a suggestion, it would be great to have some advice, suggestions... no, lets make it instructions, as to what we should and should not do at that meeting. Many guys know what needs to be done. Many others, myself included don't have a clue.

This forum is probably not the best place to distribute those instructions. I recommend that a list of guys who are on the right side of this issue be compiled, (lets leave Stan on the sidelines for this one). Once the list has been compiled, instructions should be distributed by email or PM.

I am happy to help. When is the meeting? Who is the point guy?

Bob

I second Bob's suggestion. I will try to make the October meeting and, considering how it appears our foes have an organized plan, it would probably be good for first-timers to the meetings have one also or at least how we can be most effective.

Kevin

Suck me · 10-01-2010, 01:30 PM

You idiots are too funny.

You bitch about being called biggots and then break out the homophobic slurs

You whine about freedom and then cheer the banning and complete sensoring of someone that doesn't agree with you.

You morons say you are a "diverse community" but talk down on any type of fishing that isn't yours.

Have fun with your little tea party circle-jerk, good on the MPLA for ignoring morons like you.

Suck me · 10-01-2010, 01:32 PM

And the golden one, where you nimrods say you're moderate and sensible but threaten physical voilence.

cabojohn · 10-01-2010, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suck me

And the golden one, where you nimrods say you're moderate and sensible but threaten physical voilence.

no power snivlers

Wait, is this Stan's boy toy? Welcome and adios.
XOXO

Grego · 10-01-2010, 02:57 PM

Yaayy...Candy Sucker is back...We Wuv Wu Weetie!!!!

Gino · 10-01-2010, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suck me

You idiots are too funny.

You bitch about being called biggots and then break out the homophobic slurs

You whine about freedom and then cheer the banning and complete sensoring of someone that doesn't agree with you.

You morons say you are a "diverse community" but talk down on any type of fishing that isn't yours.

Have fun with your little tea party circle-jerk, good on the MPLA for ignoring morons like you.

You had absolutely no intentions of having a respectfull conversation about this origional Topic of this post. I gave you more than enough chances. You were someone just looking to talk shit.

This Website is Owned by a buisness. They have the legal right to censor anything they want. Sorry.

Whos the one Ranting now...

JoeBeck · 10-01-2010, 02:43 PM

LMAO Candy is back and wants to get sucked

Gino · 10-01-2010, 03:20 PM

From my knowlege, As far as the Differance between Nazis and Socialist and such. has very little to do with political policies, and more to do with Philisophical beliefs. Were Communism is about he collective, tearing down all and any individual qualities, including religious.
Were Facism or Nazism (Nazi :National socialist workers Party) Does pretty much the same, but dictates individualism through Racial Identities.
Economic policies vary from differant examples. Were Nazi Germany had authority over German companies that were privately owned. Were as a Communist State, The State owns and operates all economic activities. Nazism was paracticed more like a Religion. It helped to shape Goverment and Economic policies, But the Nazi party and its rule during Germany were Socialist.

Thats what The Enviormentalist movement in this state as well as in the country is doing. They shape public and economic policy for the good of there movement. If a delta smelt a small fish is somewhat endangered and some Scientific report is conjured up saying so. The goverment shuts off the water flow from a Damn. Thats crippling Economic productivity and Destroying a community over a fish.
Thats just a single Example. The states AB32 bill could put Diesel Truckers out of work and a good amount of contruction. Over less than 1% of predicted Toxic Emissions... Thats a predicted estimate, and it could have no effect on the Enviorment, or global warming.

Thats very similuir to the MLPA, Its Enviormental Special intrests Funding public policy, along with the bending and breaking of rules and disregard for the general public, all to achieve a goal, with no real results.

Besides. The indoctrination these groups are doing to children... using Tax payer dollars bus school children into an MLPA meeting where the children have no say what so ever becuase They arent legal adults or Tax payers at that. But that level of indoctrination is very comparible to Hitler youth styles of teaching. Tearing down there individual thoughts and a capacity to think individually. All for an Ideaology.

In alot of ways its very easy to Equate the enviormental movement with Nazism. Becuase they have alot in common in how they operate and how they indoctrinate (educate if you see it that way) They preach Sacrafice, for a common good, and use Nazi style tactics to impose it on the rest.

"It only stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master." Ayn Rand

Matt · 10-01-2010, 11:18 PM

Thanks Gino at least you got it!!!

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09-30-2010, 03:08 PM	#2
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	Joe is right. It's time to strap it on for the final two meetings. Stacked deck is the perfect description. The balance on the commission is so far towards the enviro NGO side, that we have to be ready to meet an all-out attack on La Jolla. We all know how much it chafed them to leave us the north kelp. They lied - regularly - about our use areas, drummed up fake kayak anglers, and continually tried to undermine our credibility. Even if the commission decides to go with the IPA, there are a number of changes they can choose from. The DFG doesn't like the South La Jolla MPA boundaries. That could grow to the north and south. We also have to watch the pier bait situation. It's a complication for them. Tyler tried to tell them to move the line so it doesn't bisect the pier. They didn't listen, so we have to stay on that case too. The Oct meeting is in San Diego. No excuses! The other side will resort to their usual dishonorable tricks. Will we see taxpayer funded bused-in schoolchildren again? Maybe. December's meeting in Santa Barbara is jsut as important. Make a commitment now! All that we battled for together with a single voice could be lost if we don't stay on the job to the very end.

09-30-2010, 05:32 PM	#3
Grego Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 446	San Diego....again, don't mean a thing to the BT....we will be THERE AND IN SANTA BARBARA in force as usual to meet our brethren on the battlefield. Those that refuse to make the trek southward/northward or drop out of the road march? easy,we kick them off the board !!!

09-30-2010, 05:47 PM	#4
-scallywag- Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: on the road... Posts: 598	bring some stones....we'll vote them out Roman senate style

09-30-2010, 06:46 PM	#6
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,123	Paul and Joe, thanks for your continued efforts. I thought that we may have lost Paul for a while. Welcome back. This is the first that I have heard about a San Diego meeting in October. If I can, I will be there but it will be the first time that I have been able to attend one of these things. If I may make a suggestion, it would be great to have some advice, suggestions... no, lets make it instructions, as to what we should and should not do at that meeting. Many guys know what needs to be done. Many others, myself included don't have a clue. This forum is probably not the best place to distribute those instructions. I recommend that a list of guys who are on the right side of this issue be compiled, (lets leave Stan on the sidelines for this one). Once the list has been compiled, instructions should be distributed by email or PM. I am happy to help. When is the meeting? Who is the point guy? Bob

10-01-2010, 01:30 PM	#8
Suck me Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2	You idiots are too funny. You bitch about being called biggots and then break out the homophobic slurs You whine about freedom and then cheer the banning and complete sensoring of someone that doesn't agree with you. You morons say you are a "diverse community" but talk down on any type of fishing that isn't yours. Have fun with your little tea party circle-jerk, good on the MPLA for ignoring morons like you.

10-01-2010, 01:32 PM	#9
Suck me Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2	And the golden one, where you nimrods say you're moderate and sensible but threaten physical voilence.

10-01-2010, 02:57 PM	#11
Grego Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 446	Yaayy...Candy Sucker is back...We Wuv Wu Weetie!!!!

10-01-2010, 02:43 PM	#13
JoeBeck Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 370	LMAO Candy is back and wants to get sucked

10-01-2010, 03:20 PM	#14
Gino Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 520	From my knowlege, As far as the Differance between Nazis and Socialist and such. has very little to do with political policies, and more to do with Philisophical beliefs. Were Communism is about he collective, tearing down all and any individual qualities, including religious. Were Facism or Nazism (Nazi :National socialist workers Party) Does pretty much the same, but dictates individualism through Racial Identities. Economic policies vary from differant examples. Were Nazi Germany had authority over German companies that were privately owned. Were as a Communist State, The State owns and operates all economic activities. Nazism was paracticed more like a Religion. It helped to shape Goverment and Economic policies, But the Nazi party and its rule during Germany were Socialist. Thats what The Enviormentalist movement in this state as well as in the country is doing. They shape public and economic policy for the good of there movement. If a delta smelt a small fish is somewhat endangered and some Scientific report is conjured up saying so. The goverment shuts off the water flow from a Damn. Thats crippling Economic productivity and Destroying a community over a fish. Thats just a single Example. The states AB32 bill could put Diesel Truckers out of work and a good amount of contruction. Over less than 1% of predicted Toxic Emissions... Thats a predicted estimate, and it could have no effect on the Enviorment, or global warming. Thats very similuir to the MLPA, Its Enviormental Special intrests Funding public policy, along with the bending and breaking of rules and disregard for the general public, all to achieve a goal, with no real results. Besides. The indoctrination these groups are doing to children... using Tax payer dollars bus school children into an MLPA meeting where the children have no say what so ever becuase They arent legal adults or Tax payers at that. But that level of indoctrination is very comparible to Hitler youth styles of teaching. Tearing down there individual thoughts and a capacity to think individually. All for an Ideaology. In alot of ways its very easy to Equate the enviormental movement with Nazism. Becuase they have alot in common in how they operate and how they indoctrinate (educate if you see it that way) They preach Sacrafice, for a common good, and use Nazi style tactics to impose it on the rest. "It only stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master." Ayn Rand