MLPA Public Comment! - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

lamb · 10-20-2010, 04:53 PM

wada circus. Yeah, kids and their "save our coral reefs" cry in these final hours were really the best reflection how distorted and manipulated this whole process is. Mr. Richards asking pretty basic question, to be reminded on % of deep rock reefs addressed, and no one really knowing the answer was pretty funny too! It shows you how much they're really into it. It's one thing that good number of ordinary folks can't put their mind around this whole MLPA process and where it is right now - these folks have been hired to administer the process. They ought to be familiar with key points, despite how complicated and diluted at the same they made it.

It sux when you are fighting a war and you know you are bound to loose, you're just trying to contain your loses and keep chugging on. That's what we seem to be doing.

We're still biting, great show, despite the bussed in kids I think we were there in greater numbers.

Lot's of DFG there. It's cool when you pick up the vibe from the wardens they are on our team. Hear that Wade?

old_rookie · 10-20-2010, 05:18 PM

A student from Hi-Tech High sat next to me. I asked him why he was there. He tells me it is for his government class - so that he can observe the debate. CoastKeepers made a presentation to his class. He was undecided as to which side to take and wanted to hear the other side. After the Hi-Tech High senior spoke, he left. He didn't stay to hear the other side, well... maybe he moved to the back to hear??? I doubt it.

hatchetman · 10-20-2010, 05:42 PM

I was talking with a lady from Bloody Decks who talked with the High Tech High students at the back of the room and videoed their response, she asked them if they were forced to come, answer was yes. Look for the video to be posted on Bloody Decks soon. I wounder how many parents actually new what their children were going on there field trip today for?

roadx · 10-20-2010, 05:43 PM

the kids are just missed informed, there are soft corals off the coast so they are not totally wrong.
http://www.ia.ucsb.edu/pa/display.aspx?pkey=1242

there seems to be a lot of adults that are missed informed also.

but i will say the kids being bussed in and given an agenda in is just wrong.

Quote:

To all of the Kids that spoke...

Each and every one of you showed more knowledge, more courage, and spoke better than any of the misinformed children that spoke, you should be very proud for standing up for your rights, we are very proud of you.

Thank you...

i agree GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lu xhello:

Tman · 10-20-2010, 05:55 PM

(Santa Barbara, Calif.) – A new species of black coral has been discovered off southern California, including around the Channel Islands, by Milton Love, University of California, Santa Barbara marine researcher, and Mary Yoklavich of NOAA Fisheries. The discovery came during dives by the researchers in "Delta," the submersible.

The new species, found at depths of approximately 300 to 725 feet, is reported this week in the online scientific journal Zootaxa (http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/content.html) by taxonomist Dennis Opresko of Oak Ridge National Laboratory.
Love named the new species "Christmas Tree Coral" (dendochristos in Greek) since it grows to a height greater than two meters and resembles pink, white and red flocked Christmas trees.
The complete scientific Greek name for the new coral is Antipathes dendrochristos. The word for black coral is "Anti" for against, and "pathos," for disease, a reference to the fact that black coral amulets were once thought to provide protection against disease and evil spirits. The Christmas tree coral was first noticed by the researchers during dives for surveys of rockfishes on deep rocky banks about 40 miles off the coast, west of Los Angeles.

Comment made was they grow best in shallow tropical waters. Implementing an MPA to save these (MPA = 3 miles from shore) kinda loses me there.

300-725 feet of water 40 miles W of LA?

I don't think any MPA will help them, esp. not in LJ, Laguna, or Malibu.

I will admit that I am one of the misinformed.

roadx · 10-20-2010, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Comment made was they grow best in shallow tropical waters. Implementing an MPA to save these (MPA = 3 miles from shore) kinda loses me there.

300-725 feet of water 40 miles W of LA?

I don't think any MPA will help them, esp. not in LJ, Laguna, or Malibu.

i dont blame the kids, i believe they are doing what they think is right. it's the teacher that fills them with this BS and they KNOW better.

JoeBeck · 10-21-2010, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roadx

i dont blame the kids, i believe they are doing what they think is right. it's the teacher that fills them with this BS and they KNOW better.

I completely agree and had a word with a teacher right in front of his students after hearing him say to them "So kids the fishermen are making fun of you and calling you names for being here" "they are calling you uneducated little ankle biters" I was floored I turned and said to them "so this is how you get kids to not like fishing and support the maps of your choice by generalizing fishermen, I myself am happy the kids are here to learn about the government process and witness both sides?" I did not want to say he did not hear someone say that, maybe he did. He did not say a word back and the kids looked a bit shocked.

Unfortunately I did see from a distance a fishermen flip the bird at some young individuals wearing MLPA Support shirts. Not a good way to represent.

Gino · 10-21-2010, 03:07 PM

All those bused in kids had no reason to be there. And even more so they had no right to speak at all.
Most of those kids care more about Glee, Pop Tarts, Spoungebob, Vampire books, and thats after you have pryed there fingers off there Xbox controller...

There is nothing those kids said that either:
A. made sense
B. someone already didnt know
C. was anything but complete bullshit

It was a complete waste of our time. The MLPA comissions time, and complete waste of tax dollars on many levels

No matter what you say or how you act, the Kids will be returning back to there Teachers classrooms today, and tomorrow and they are going to be told that fisherman are mean.

Maybe the teachers will hit them with a little Joy Bayhard "The fisherman are against children"

Fisherman use bombs...

Maybe they watch some Whale Wars episodes in class... Or even have a PETA guest speaker visit the class.

You folks got to really go after the schools. The Teachers, and even the School District who was making gross acusations.
(Your not going to get Teachers Fired, trust me the Union wont allow any of that...)

But if you put the pressure up on the school principles, your going to put a stop to these field trips. You have to call screaming, yelling, and waving your hands. anything else will be ignored.

10-20-2010, 04:53 PM	#1
lamb Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,568	wada circus. Yeah, kids and their "save our coral reefs" cry in these final hours were really the best reflection how distorted and manipulated this whole process is. Mr. Richards asking pretty basic question, to be reminded on % of deep rock reefs addressed, and no one really knowing the answer was pretty funny too! It shows you how much they're really into it. It's one thing that good number of ordinary folks can't put their mind around this whole MLPA process and where it is right now - these folks have been hired to administer the process. They ought to be familiar with key points, despite how complicated and diluted at the same they made it. It sux when you are fighting a war and you know you are bound to loose, you're just trying to contain your loses and keep chugging on. That's what we seem to be doing. We're still biting, great show, despite the bussed in kids I think we were there in greater numbers. Lot's of DFG there. It's cool when you pick up the vibe from the wardens they are on our team. Hear that Wade? __________________ [------------------------ <)))< ....b-a-a-a-a

10-20-2010, 05:42 PM	#3
hatchetman Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: lincoln acres Posts: 60	I was talking with a lady from Bloody Decks who talked with the High Tech High students at the back of the room and videoed their response, she asked them if they were forced to come, answer was yes. Look for the video to be posted on Bloody Decks soon. I wounder how many parents actually new what their children were going on there field trip today for? __________________ FAITH, FAMILY, FIREARMS, FISHING When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. Thomas Jefferson

10-20-2010, 05:55 PM	#5
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	(Santa Barbara, Calif.) – A new species of black coral has been discovered off southern California, including around the Channel Islands, by Milton Love, University of California, Santa Barbara marine researcher, and Mary Yoklavich of NOAA Fisheries. The discovery came during dives by the researchers in "Delta," the submersible. The new species, found at depths of approximately 300 to 725 feet, is reported this week in the online scientific journal Zootaxa (*http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/content.html*) by taxonomist Dennis Opresko of Oak Ridge National Laboratory. Love named the new species "Christmas Tree Coral" (dendochristos in Greek) since it grows to a height greater than two meters and resembles pink, white and red flocked Christmas trees. The complete scientific Greek name for the new coral is Antipathes dendrochristos. The word for black coral is "Anti" for against, and "pathos," for disease, a reference to the fact that black coral amulets were once thought to provide protection against disease and evil spirits. The Christmas tree coral was first noticed by the researchers during dives for surveys of rockfishes on deep rocky banks about 40 miles off the coast, west of Los Angeles. Comment made was they grow best in shallow tropical waters. Implementing an MPA to save these (MPA = 3 miles from shore) kinda loses me there. 300-725 feet of water 40 miles W of LA? I don't think any MPA will help them, esp. not in LJ, Laguna, or Malibu. I will admit that I am one of the misinformed. __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

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10-20-2010, 05:18 PM	#2
old_rookie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Santee Posts: 904	A student from Hi-Tech High sat next to me. I asked him why he was there. He tells me it is for his government class - so that he can observe the debate. CoastKeepers made a presentation to his class. He was undecided as to which side to take and wanted to hear the other side. After the Hi-Tech High senior spoke, he left. He didn't stay to hear the other side, well... maybe he moved to the back to hear??? I doubt it.

10-21-2010, 03:07 PM	#8
Gino Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 520	All those bused in kids had no reason to be there. And even more so they had no right to speak at all. Most of those kids care more about Glee, Pop Tarts, Spoungebob, Vampire books, and thats after you have pryed there fingers off there Xbox controller... There is nothing those kids said that either: A. made sense B. someone already didnt know C. was anything but complete bullshit It was a complete waste of our time. The MLPA comissions time, and complete waste of tax dollars on many levels No matter what you say or how you act, the Kids will be returning back to there Teachers classrooms today, and tomorrow and they are going to be told that fisherman are mean. Maybe the teachers will hit them with a little Joy Bayhard "The fisherman are against children" Fisherman use bombs... Maybe they watch some Whale Wars episodes in class... Or even have a PETA guest speaker visit the class. You folks got to really go after the schools. The Teachers, and even the School District who was making gross acusations. (Your not going to get Teachers Fired, trust me the Union wont allow any of that...) But if you put the pressure up on the school principles, your going to put a stop to these field trips. You have to call screaming, yelling, and waving your hands. anything else will be ignored.