MLPA Closures Will Start Jan 1 - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

PAL · 12-13-2011, 11:12 AM

There's a lot to say, but for now I'll leave it at this:

That we kept ANY part of La Jolla open was due to the unprecedented group effort by passionate kayak anglers and spear divers. If we hadn't fought that rearguard action, it would have been a clean sweep at LJ.

You can travel through MPAs with fishing gear on board but not in use.

The MPA maps in my WON story need another close look. There's a chance some of the boundaries have shifted slightly over the past two rounds of tweaks. Because you can legally fish right up to the line but not over, it's important to get it right. The DFG has used inaccurate spotting methods to enforce MPAs up north. Don't rely on my maps, it's your ass on the line.

No one outside the DFG knows with certainty how they will enforce the MPAs in the short term. They may start off with warnings. They may not. ALSO - the Jan 1 start date may not have the force of law. The state Administrative Procedures Act sets a 30-day timetable for new regulations to go into effect. That would put the date at Jan 8, not the 1st, but you better be ready to fight a citation in court. We may know more about this by the end of the week.

What happened at Dume in Malibu is a disgusting travesty. It's the same in Laguna. Those cities will never see dime one from me. I feel the same about Zev Yaroslavsky's LA County 3rd district. It's Malibu and part of the San Fernando Valley. Dead to me. Don't forget Surfrider's involvement, or Heal the Bay, San Diego Coastkeeper, the Monterey Bay Aquarium, and so on.

That's enough for now.

Regor · 12-13-2011, 11:27 AM

My question is - How can "the man" enforce such a boundary without officially marking (as the buoys do now)?

Just by throwing out a bunch of coordinates doesn't do a thing for non-GPS boats/kayaks.

Seems that until they are marked (if marked), this will be hard to enforce in front of a judge.

Any legal precedence?

Rocket · 12-13-2011, 11:36 AM

Wow unbelievable bs! So sorry my socal brothers. We have had similiar threats here in Hawaii, we need to pay attention to what has happened here and prepare to fight it also. Very scary to see it all go down now as it will most likey be an example our local government pays a lot of attention to. Keep fighting!

blitzburgh · 12-13-2011, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by PAL

What happened at Dume in Malibu is a disgusting travesty. It's the same in Laguna. Those cities will never see dime one from me. I feel the same about Zev Yaroslavsky's LA County 3rd district. It's Malibu and part of the San Fernando Valley. Dead to me. Don't forget Surfrider's involvement, or Heal the Bay, San Diego Coastkeeper, the Monterey Bay Aquarium, and so on.
That's enough for now.

I would love to see a "Black-list" of some sort we can refer to when it comes to this. I for one cannot remember all of the names & organizations who railed us with this. Mods, anyway we can get a sticky page with this info on it?

mtnbykr2 · 12-13-2011, 11:48 AM

[QUOTE=blitzburgh;102558]I would love to see a "Black-list" of some sort we can refer to when it comes to this. I for one cannot remember all of the names & organizations who railed us with this. Mods, anyway we can get a sticky page with this info on it?[/QUOTE

I think a "black list" is a great idea, if we could get a list of all involved in this BS travesty so as to be able to vote them out, as well as keep an eye on their shananigans, interests and organizations, maybe we can
take care of some business that way

Iceman · 12-13-2011, 12:05 PM

They are counting on $50,000,000 to come from our license purchases. I think a boycott and some fundraising to pay anyone fined may be an avenue to kick em in the nuts.

wiredantz · 12-13-2011, 12:18 PM

i am bummed out

Devildawgjj · 12-13-2011, 12:37 PM

Enforcing this (albeit the easiest is blatant fishing in a SMR) will be difficult to do. I mean it's not like there is physical markings that show these sections; crossing into the grid line a couple hundred yards is easy to do if you don't have a GPS.

The worst thing about MLPA is that because we are citizen's, we are required to have some innate sense about these laws (insofar as this isn't common disseminated knowledge). The exuse "Your Honor, I didn't know" will not suffice!

If the sign isn't posted where I launch....then I'm fishing there!!

PAL · 12-13-2011, 12:39 PM

I just finished combing through the OAL document. The maps at WON appeared accurate except for Laguna, where the Lat / Lons changed since the article went live. The story is once again up to date, but minus zoomed in views of the revised Laguna numbers.

For now the best I can do is the attached DFG map. If someone here can plot the these numbers on an aerial photo and zoom in to the boundaries, I'd appreciate the help.

Quote:

Laguna Beach SMCA (triangle blue section in detail map): No fishing!

Boundary Description

This area is bounded by the mean high tide line and straight lines connecting the

following points in the order listed:

Revised boundaries:

33° 30.800' N. lat. 117 45.631' W. long.;
33° 30.800' N. lat. 117 49.200' W. long.;
33° 30.050' N. lat. 117 49.200' W. long.; and
33° 30.050' N. lat. 117 44.771' W. long.

Laguna Beach SMR (above, in red): No fishing.

Boundary Description

This area is bounded by the mean high tide line and straight lines connecting the

following points in the order listed:

Revised boundaries:

33° 33.233' N. lat. 117 49.200' W. long.;
33° 30.800' N. lat. 117 49.200' W. long.; and
33° 30.800' N. lat. 117 45.631' W. long.

Here's the updated WON cheat sheet:

http://www.wonews.com/Blog.aspx?id=9...lusive-maps%20

The Kid · 12-13-2011, 01:07 PM

Well, just around the corner and here we go. Remember guys that they do annual assessments to dictate whether or not the closure has a positive impact on the area. The fight never stops! Keep up the hard work, thanks Paul, and make sure that everyone passes along the information. Majority of the anglers in California still have no idea what is about to happen. Educate each other. The fact is they are going to say the closures are working even though it will have no impact at all. That how they are going to get paid! Working together to prevent another year of this hopeless endeavor should be our next priority. I am occupying the area on the 1st, let's get it together and get people to notice.

JoeBeck · 12-13-2011, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceman

They are counting on $50,000,000 to come from our license purchases. I think a boycott and some fundraising to pay anyone fined may be an avenue to kick em in the nuts.

Give my fishing license money to Mexico instead. Some good fishing a jump across the border.......

This whole thing sucks!

The Kid · 12-13-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeBeck

Give my fishing license money to Mexico instead. Some good fishing a jump across the border.......

This whole thing sucks!

Funny thing about that. Well now if you want to fish Mexican waters and are within 12 miles of shore including ANY islands then you've got to get a Tourist Visa at $30 per day. Sucks huh!

PAL · 12-13-2011, 03:28 PM

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Remember guys that they do annual assessments to dictate whether or not the closure has a positive impact on the area.

Unfortunately, that's not the case. The MLPA calls for 5 year assessments, however, baseline and ongoing research is necessary to track trends. So far, it hasn't happened.

Last year, the Coastside Fishing Club asked the Fish and Game Commission to suspend Central California MLPA-created MPAs because the mandated research hadn't been conducted. Nothing happened. AND, if it did, the same Packard grant chasers that steered the current closures would be the ones to do it. We have a long way to go to impose independent scientific oversight.

blitzburgh · 12-13-2011, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Kid

Funny thing about that. Well now if you want to fish Mexican waters and are within 12 miles of shore including ANY islands then you've got to get a Tourist Visa at $30 per day. Sucks huh!

They saw what was coming here and are going to cash in. Guess I can't blame em'!

Jim Sammons LJKF · 12-13-2011, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Kid

Funny thing about that. Well now if you want to fish Mexican waters and are within 12 miles of shore including ANY islands then you've got to get a Tourist Visa at $30 per day. Sucks huh!

Where is this information from? First I have heard this one

Aaron&Julie · 12-13-2011, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceman

They are counting on $50,000,000 to come from our license purchases. I think a boycott and some fundraising to pay anyone fined may be an avenue to kick em in the nuts.

Great thought about the fundraising to cover those fined. One problem is those who only fish freshwater aren't likely to join the group, and get behind a boycott. Also, unfortunately they probably outnumber us saltwater fishermen.
A huge occupation of the south La Jolla closure, by kayakers and private boaters on Jan 1st, with a few news stations contacted ahead of time, might help in an another appeal process, to overturn this ridiculous closure, if that is even possible, anymore. Maybe open up the possibility of these closures being put on a general election ballot, to be overturned. I'm just speculating. If we could get a turn-out like a Moyer tournament, plus boaters, or even more than that, with news Helicopters televising a mass occupation, it could turn some heads. Or is this just wishful thinking?

dorado50 · 12-13-2011, 06:43 PM

I doubt Mex. will shoot themselves in the foot with these "new visas" . I have not heard of any difinitive actions on behalf of Mex. gov. at this point in time. I'm betting it will not go into effect!!

Nic D · 12-13-2011, 06:54 PM

I hope so Dave.

So here is the California Constitution regarding fishing. So whats going to happen the first time some one is issued a ticket for fishing in a MLPA and holds this article up in court. Will it hold up?

Im interested in seeing if how hard its patrolled? If we're out bass fishing and releasing everything we catch, will they write us a ticket? Only one way to find out.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS

Section 25. The people shall have the right to fish upon and from
the public lands of the State and in the waters thereof, excepting
upon lands set aside for fish hatcheries, and no land owned by the
State shall ever be sold or transferred without reserving in the
people the absolute right to fish thereupon; and no law shall ever be
passed making it a crime for the people to enter upon the public
lands within this State for the purpose of fishing in any water
containing fish that have been planted therein by the State;
provided, that the legislature may by statute, provide for the season
when and the conditions under which the different species of fish
may be taken.

blitzburgh · 12-13-2011, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron&Julie

Great thought about the fundraising to cover those fined. One problem is those who only fish freshwater aren't likely to join the group, and get behind a boycott. Also, unfortunately they probably outnumber us saltwater fishermen.

I agree. They (Freshwater folk) are mostly in the dark but they should be VERY WORRIED. I have brought this up to FW fishermen I know and so should everyone here as well...check it out....

http://www.fishinglakes.com/savecalfishing.htm

http://www.pe.com/local-news/local-n...onds-lakes.ece

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...ate&id=8279425

These clowns that got us have a global agenda.

ChefT · 12-13-2011, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman

They are counting on $50,000,000 to come from our license purchases. I think a boycott and some fundraising to pay anyone fined may be an avenue to kick em in the nuts.

CAN I GET THE FIRST KICK....

Can we start a BWE fishing license fund.... and donate it to charity like HUBS

12-13-2011, 11:36 AM	#3
Rocket Junior Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Oahu, Hawaii Posts: 9	Wow unbelievable bs! So sorry my socal brothers. We have had similiar threats here in Hawaii, we need to pay attention to what has happened here and prepare to fight it also. Very scary to see it all go down now as it will most likey be an example our local government pays a lot of attention to. Keep fighting! __________________ There's kayak fishing then there's...Aquahunters

12-13-2011, 12:05 PM	#6
Iceman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 1-2 miles off the point Posts: 6,948	They are counting on $50,000,000 to come from our license purchases. I think a boycott and some fundraising to pay anyone fined may be an avenue to kick em in the nuts. __________________

12-13-2011, 12:18 PM	#7
wiredantz Currently @ MLO Territory Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Under the Shadow Posts: 2,290	i am bummed out __________________ Team: Disbanded You only have one chance in this life...make the right decision(s)...so you don't regret it

12-13-2011, 06:54 PM	#18
Nic D Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Clairemont Posts: 813	I hope so Dave. So here is the California Constitution regarding fishing. So whats going to happen the first time some one is issued a ticket for fishing in a MLPA and holds this article up in court. Will it hold up? Im interested in seeing if how hard its patrolled? If we're out bass fishing and releasing everything we catch, will they write us a ticket? Only one way to find out. CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS Section 25. The people shall have the right to fish upon and from the public lands of the State and in the waters thereof, excepting upon lands set aside for fish hatcheries, and no land owned by the State shall ever be sold or transferred without reserving in the people the absolute right to fish thereupon; and no law shall ever be passed making it a crime for the people to enter upon the public lands within this State for the purpose of fishing in any water containing fish that have been planted therein by the State; provided, that the legislature may by statute, provide for the season when and the conditions under which the different species of fish may be taken. __________________ instagram - @DRAGO619

12-13-2011, 11:12 AM	#1
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	There's a lot to say, but for now I'll leave it at this: That we kept ANY part of La Jolla open was due to the unprecedented group effort by passionate kayak anglers and spear divers. If we hadn't fought that rearguard action, it would have been a clean sweep at LJ. You can travel through MPAs with fishing gear on board but not in use. The MPA maps in my WON story need another close look. There's a chance some of the boundaries have shifted slightly over the past two rounds of tweaks. Because you can legally fish right up to the line but not over, it's important to get it right. The DFG has used inaccurate spotting methods to enforce MPAs up north. Don't rely on my maps, it's your ass on the line. No one outside the DFG knows with certainty how they will enforce the MPAs in the short term. They may start off with warnings. They may not. ALSO - the Jan 1 start date may not have the force of law. The state Administrative Procedures Act sets a 30-day timetable for new regulations to go into effect. That would put the date at Jan 8, not the 1st, but you better be ready to fight a citation in court. We may know more about this by the end of the week. What happened at Dume in Malibu is a disgusting travesty. It's the same in Laguna. Those cities will never see dime one from me. I feel the same about Zev Yaroslavsky's LA County 3rd district. It's Malibu and part of the San Fernando Valley. Dead to me. Don't forget Surfrider's involvement, or Heal the Bay, San Diego Coastkeeper, the Monterey Bay Aquarium, and so on. That's enough for now.

12-13-2011, 11:27 AM	#2
Regor Greg Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chula Vista, ca Posts: 509	My question is - How can "the man" enforce such a boundary without officially marking (as the buoys do now)? Just by throwing out a bunch of coordinates doesn't do a thing for non-GPS boats/kayaks. Seems that until they are marked (if marked), this will be hard to enforce in front of a judge. Any legal precedence?

12-13-2011, 11:48 AM	#5
mtnbykr2 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: newbury park ca Posts: 2,323	[QUOTE=blitzburgh;102558]I would love to see a "Black-list" of some sort we can refer to when it comes to this. I for one cannot remember all of the names & organizations who railed us with this. Mods, anyway we can get a sticky page with this info on it?[/QUOTE I think a "black list" is a great idea, if we could get a list of all involved in this BS travesty so as to be able to vote them out, as well as keep an eye on their shananigans, interests and organizations, maybe we can take care of some business that way

12-13-2011, 12:37 PM	#8
Devildawgjj Kayak BOOT Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Ventura County Posts: 251	Enforcing this (albeit the easiest is blatant fishing in a SMR) will be difficult to do. I mean it's not like there is physical markings that show these sections; crossing into the grid line a couple hundred yards is easy to do if you don't have a GPS. The worst thing about MLPA is that because we are citizen's, we are required to have some innate sense about these laws (insofar as this isn't common disseminated knowledge). The exuse "Your Honor, I didn't know" will not suffice! If the sign isn't posted where I launch....then I'm fishing there!!

12-13-2011, 01:07 PM	#10
The Kid Loves Surface Irons Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 455	Well, just around the corner and here we go. Remember guys that they do annual assessments to dictate whether or not the closure has a positive impact on the area. The fight never stops! Keep up the hard work, thanks Paul, and make sure that everyone passes along the information. Majority of the anglers in California still have no idea what is about to happen. Educate each other. The fact is they are going to say the closures are working even though it will have no impact at all. That how they are going to get paid! Working together to prevent another year of this hopeless endeavor should be our next priority. I am occupying the area on the 1st, let's get it together and get people to notice.

12-13-2011, 06:43 PM	#17
dorado50 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: La Jolla Shores Posts: 1,626	I doubt Mex. will shoot themselves in the foot with these "new visas" . I have not heard of any difinitive actions on behalf of Mex. gov. at this point in time. I'm betting it will not go into effect!!