6/05 AM - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

tylerdurden · 06-06-2007, 07:31 AM

Grab the camera and radio if they come at you. If they anchor up next to you, leave, even if you were there first. You likely aren't going to catch anything, and those sporties are seal magnets.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wavster

This morning I was making bait west of the point in a break in the kelp.
The New Seaforth was parked North of me. No sooner did I drop my sabiki in
the water when irons started landing right next to me.

If they can land an iron next to you, you are way too close. Move.

It's been a while since one of these threads has come up. Seems to happen once a year.

madscientist · 06-06-2007, 08:44 AM

For what it's worth, it was very crowded this weekend and the sporties have to fish somewhere. I was actually glad they fished where they did because they were not on the generally "hot" wsb spots and did a great job drawing the pesky furbags. I have also on occasion forgot how much further one can throw an iron from the deck of a boat and consciously try to expand my buffer zone around them, particularly off their stern.

It's the deliberate turns to run AT a yak that are really unforgivable. I suspect that after a day of doing poorly, the capt and a mate are up there going "hey, lets go buzz a yak for fun".

On a side note, I almost got run over by what I think was Vessel Assist the other night. Idiot was doing 20 in the dark through the kelp. Clearly did not see my little light and I had to paddle like mad to get out of his way. Yelled at them on 16 and 18 and they slowed down and turn out to sea after that.

Jimm H · 06-06-2007, 01:05 PM

Okay...

1) this has been going on since I started kayak fishing in June of 2001. (I started because I was standing on the deck of the New Seaforth, watching kayakers go by with big fish while we fished for bass and bonita So, GUYAK, you are correct, sir!)

BTW- Brad would say to me that the only thing that's changed is that I'm sitting on a kayak now, watching kayakers go by with big fish... LOL

2) In all that time, no one has been swamped or run over by a sportie

3) That said, what they do is plain wrong. They are trying to intimidate, or at best, harrass us for their amusement.

4) Ciopino- what is the "legal distance" of a chum line? Since chum drifts and spreads, where is the line drawn? (from a practical standpoint, it is just outside iron tossing range.) It is their strategy and free choice to dump bait into the water as chum. It is not their right to declare a no fishing zone. Common courtesy dictates I give them some working room, but not the whole ocean behind their boat. (I've had them yell at me when I was a good 150 feet off their stern, passing thru)

5) It is stupid to work too close to ANY boat, especially a cattle boat. If you are fishing for bait or fish close enough to be "ironed", you are too close (*see (5) above)

6) Best way to get back at them is to show them your large, freshly caught pelagic species as they pass by. More of their customers will join our plastic fleet, and soon, we can all walk out to the kelp from the shores by stepping on all the kayaks.

6) If you whoop real loud when you catch a fish or broadcast on the radio that "I'm hooked up over here!" you will draw in kayakers, pber's and sporties alike to sit on top of you and share in your "happiness," or at least in your fishing spot. And, guess what? Code words don't work. They figure out the code words.

7) bassboyc-- Sport Boats do NOT idle at 7 knots... that would make for a really spectacular docking every time. Having both been on the boat and seen them slip slowly up to the bait barge on other occasions, I know that one is bull. (sorry) If not, they are very poorly designed.

8) Whoever it was that was "spun around" by one of the sporties tangling up your trolling line- was your trolling bait in gear when the prop of the cattle boat caused you to spin around? I wouyld think it would have spooled you, instead. What did it feel like to hook something that large? How would you have landed it if your line hadn't given way? More importantly, how much line did you have out? Two weeks ago I lost a fish (yes, Brad, another lost fish) when a kayaker tangles my line as he trolled his lure a good 150 feet behand him thru all the kayaks and boats. Not saying you were that far back, but.... how far back were you?

There. Enough trouble caused. I'm done...

wavster · 06-06-2007, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimm H

5) It is stupid to work too close to ANY boat, especially a cattle boat. If you are fishing for bait or fish close enough to be "ironed", you are too close (*see (5) above)...

Just to set the record straight, I was not actually within distance of being "ironed". The closest iron
was 50 ft away.

I was making bait south of the anchor line at the edge of the kelp. I just happen to run over
a bait ball and dropped the sabiki for a moment. I wasn't in the chum line and
under no circumstances is it ever acceptable to start tossing irons at another angler. Period!

Everyone has the right to drop a line where the want. Common courtesy is important (especially on
crowded days). What I did wasn't stupid and I wasn't encroaching. No one was fishing that
side of the boat. It was a deliberate attempt to intimidate me.

Jimm H · 06-06-2007, 04:31 PM

Sorry, i was responding to your comment of ..."No sooner did I drop my sabiki in the water when irons started landing right next to me."

I guess the "right next to me..." part threw me off. I thought you meant , you know, right next to you.

My fault.

I've seen Dolphin crew actually do that, and customers , too. Sounds like you were actually in the "legal to fish the chum line" zone outside of their iron range.

cioppino · 06-06-2007, 04:57 PM

4) Ciopino- what is the "legal distance" of a chum line? Since chum drifts and spreads, where is the line drawn? (from a practical standpoint, it is just outside iron tossing range.) It is their strategy and free choice to dump bait into the water as chum. It is not their right to declare a no fishing zone. Common courtesy dictates I give them some working room, but not the whole ocean behind their boat. (I've had them yell at me when I was a good 150 feet off their stern, passing thru)

Iron tossing distance is not going to cut it when it comes to someones chum slick.

You cant cast an iron as far as you can soak a bait. Look at the way the boat is sitting, try and see where the current is taking their lines, and assume there are a few guys on the boat who actually know how to fish. Those few will have a bait up to a hundred yards out, maybe more.

An easy way to figure it out is if you are fishing and soaking a bait how close do you want someone fishing off your stern catching what could be your fish?

Have fun and be safe out there.

madscientist · 06-06-2007, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cioppino

An easy way to figure it out is if you are fishing and soaking a bait how close do you want someone fishing off your stern catching what could be your fish?

Have fun and be safe out there.

If I went by that rule I'd be pissed at half the yakkers in LJ

(instead of the quarter currently on my shit list

).

As much as we need to give the sporties their space, they also have to recognize that if they drop anchor at 80-90ft off the hotel and slide back on the anchor, they are going to have a pretty steady stream of yaks passing their stern on their way out. It's one thing to respects a half mile of chum slick of someone sharking offshore, it's another next to the kelp.

Siebler · 06-06-2007, 07:49 PM

"7) bassboyc-- Sport Boats do NOT idle at 7 knots... that would make for a really spectacular docking every time. Having both been on the boat and seen them slip slowly up to the bait barge on other occasions, I know that one is bull. (sorry) If not, they are very poorly designed."

Not all the sportboats idle at these speeds, The NSF Does. When your at the dock EVERY day watching them dock youll see. The reason that they Slide up to the receiver so nice is because they take the boat out of gear, Just as if you stoped paddling.

Siebler · 06-06-2007, 07:51 PM

And Who called our landing today to report Deckhands hrowing trash at them in their kayak? I was on the boat today and no such thing happened. Making up stories is BS, Make your legit claims against Jason but why make up lies?

Brad Wells · 06-06-2007, 07:57 PM

F the sporties, they try to demand respect from pbers after dissing kayakers, I'm telling everyone with a boat the biggest fish caught are in the sporties chum line.

06-06-2007, 08:44 AM	#2
madscientist Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,906	For what it's worth, it was very crowded this weekend and the sporties have to fish somewhere. I was actually glad they fished where they did because they were not on the generally "hot" wsb spots and did a great job drawing the pesky furbags. I have also on occasion forgot how much further one can throw an iron from the deck of a boat and consciously try to expand my buffer zone around them, particularly off their stern. It's the deliberate turns to run AT a yak that are really unforgivable. I suspect that after a day of doing poorly, the capt and a mate are up there going "hey, lets go buzz a yak for fun". On a side note, I almost got run over by what I think was Vessel Assist the other night. Idiot was doing 20 in the dark through the kelp. Clearly did not see my little light and I had to paddle like mad to get out of his way. Yelled at them on 16 and 18 and they slowed down and turn out to sea after that. __________________

06-06-2007, 01:05 PM	#3
Jimm H Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Rancho Bernardo-San Diego Posts: 117	So many comments to think about... Okay... 1) this has been going on since I started kayak fishing in June of 2001. (I started because I was standing on the deck of the New Seaforth, watching kayakers go by with big fish while we fished for bass and bonita So, GUYAK, you are correct, sir!) BTW- Brad would say to me that the only thing that's changed is that I'm sitting on a kayak now, watching kayakers go by with big fish... LOL 2) In all that time, no one has been swamped or run over by a sportie 3) That said, what they do is plain wrong. They are trying to intimidate, or at best, harrass us for their amusement. 4) Ciopino- what is the "legal distance" of a chum line? Since chum drifts and spreads, where is the line drawn? (from a practical standpoint, it is just outside iron tossing range.) It is their strategy and free choice to dump bait into the water as chum. It is not their right to declare a no fishing zone. Common courtesy dictates I give them some working room, but not the whole ocean behind their boat. (I've had them yell at me when I was a good 150 feet off their stern, passing thru) 5) It is stupid to work too close to ANY boat, especially a cattle boat. If you are fishing for bait or fish close enough to be "ironed", you are too close (*see (5) above) 6) Best way to get back at them is to show them your large, freshly caught pelagic species as they pass by. More of their customers will join our plastic fleet, and soon, we can all walk out to the kelp from the shores by stepping on all the kayaks. 6) If you whoop real loud when you catch a fish or broadcast on the radio that "I'm hooked up over here!" you will draw in kayakers, pber's and sporties alike to sit on top of you and share in your "happiness," or at least in your fishing spot. And, guess what? Code words don't work. They figure out the code words. 7) bassboyc-- Sport Boats do NOT idle at 7 knots... that would make for a really spectacular docking every time. Having both been on the boat and seen them slip slowly up to the bait barge on other occasions, I know that one is bull. (sorry) If not, they are very poorly designed. 8) Whoever it was that was "spun around" by one of the sporties tangling up your trolling line- was your trolling bait in gear when the prop of the cattle boat caused you to spin around? I wouyld think it would have spooled you, instead. What did it feel like to hook something that large? How would you have landed it if your line hadn't given way? More importantly, how much line did you have out? Two weeks ago I lost a fish (yes, Brad, another lost fish) when a kayaker tangles my line as he trolled his lure a good 150 feet behand him thru all the kayaks and boats. Not saying you were that far back, but.... how far back were you? There. Enough trouble caused. I'm done...

06-06-2007, 04:31 PM	#5
Jimm H Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Rancho Bernardo-San Diego Posts: 117	Guess I misunderstood Sorry, i was responding to your comment of ..."No sooner did I drop my sabiki in the water when irons started landing right next to me." I guess the "right next to me..." part threw me off. I thought you meant , you know, right next to you. My fault. I've seen Dolphin crew actually do that, and customers , too. Sounds like you were actually in the "legal to fish the chum line" zone outside of their iron range.

06-06-2007, 07:49 PM	#8
Siebler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Richland Oregon Posts: 1,547	"7) bassboyc-- Sport Boats do NOT idle at 7 knots... that would make for a really spectacular docking every time. Having both been on the boat and seen them slip slowly up to the bait barge on other occasions, I know that one is bull. (sorry) If not, they are very poorly designed." Not all the sportboats idle at these speeds, The NSF Does. When your at the dock EVERY day watching them dock youll see. The reason that they Slide up to the receiver so nice is because they take the boat out of gear, Just as if you stoped paddling. __________________ CJ Siebler

06-06-2007, 07:51 PM	#9
Siebler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Richland Oregon Posts: 1,547	And Who called our landing today to report Deckhands hrowing trash at them in their kayak? I was on the boat today and no such thing happened. Making up stories is BS, Make your legit claims against Jason but why make up lies? __________________ CJ Siebler

06-06-2007, 04:57 PM	#6
cioppino Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: La Jolla Posts: 94	4) Ciopino- what is the "legal distance" of a chum line? Since chum drifts and spreads, where is the line drawn? (from a practical standpoint, it is just outside iron tossing range.) It is their strategy and free choice to dump bait into the water as chum. It is not their right to declare a no fishing zone. Common courtesy dictates I give them some working room, but not the whole ocean behind their boat. (I've had them yell at me when I was a good 150 feet off their stern, passing thru) Iron tossing distance is not going to cut it when it comes to someones chum slick. You cant cast an iron as far as you can soak a bait. Look at the way the boat is sitting, try and see where the current is taking their lines, and assume there are a few guys on the boat who actually know how to fish. Those few will have a bait up to a hundred yards out, maybe more. An easy way to figure it out is if you are fishing and soaking a bait how close do you want someone fishing off your stern catching what could be your fish? Have fun and be safe out there.

06-06-2007, 07:57 PM	#10
Brad Wells Junior Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 27	F the sporties, they try to demand respect from pbers after dissing kayakers, I'm telling everyone with a boat the biggest fish caught are in the sporties chum line.