An Email from NOAA Recreational Fisheries Coordinator - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Lipripper92592 · 04-22-2015, 03:45 PM

Freaking jerks...regulate, regulate, regulate! I love the "sound" science behind this one. Comment submitted to NOAA, but I can assure you my comments will fall on deaf ears.

taggermike · 04-23-2015, 08:18 AM

First the inshore, now the off shore.
And what the hells up with filleting tuna
In to 6 piece and all meat from one fish
has to go in to one bag? Thats worse than the
Reg on filleting hslibut at sea. Mike

driftwood · 04-23-2015, 12:36 PM

And Mexico says the bag limit is ZERO unit further notice.

Kayak_Bernie · 04-23-2015, 01:21 PM

Here is the major problem I see with this entire scenario, BFT are highly migratory, and they move across international borders without impediment. The VAST majority of these fish are picked off by international fishing vessels, that scoop up the BFT and countless other species of "bycatch" . Until something is done to prevent the over harvesting of BFT by these entities we must bear the brunt of the regulations. Is it fair, no, is it something...yes. It is like carbon emissions, we here in California are driving more and more energy efficient vehicles, and reducing our dependence on fossil fuels, but developing countries continue to burn coal and oil at an alarming rate. We cannot control them and we will have to do our part to help regardless of how much it sucks. We have an obligation to the natural world to help if we can, decades of unchecked fishing across the globe have decimated BFT and if we impose lower catch limits we at least will be doing something to stem the tide of collapse of this fishery. By some estimates over 90% of the fish being caught are too young to have even spawned one time, that is just ridiculous. I for one love tuna, and I love sport fishing, I am willing to reduce my daily catch from 10 to 2 for the hope that maybe, just maybe my kids will have the some opportunity that I have been afforded, to catch a BFT. Join the CCA and let your voice be heard, contact your congressman and tell him to have the USA put sanctions on countires who overfish BFT and the like. We only have one ocean, and we are doing a really good job at decimating the fish stocks, once they are gone, we as humans are going to be witness to a ecosystem collapse on par with the ice-age extinctions, and our health and livelyhood depend on the health of the oceans, if the oceans die...we die...Simple as that.

chris138 · 04-23-2015, 02:11 PM

I'm all for it. Close down mex, and regulate that shit in the US. Believe it or not, the folks over at NOAA Southwest Fisheries actually know a thing or two about our marine ecosystem. Try asking Dos Ballenas about the YT fishery. Ever stop to think, "wow the YT and WSB fishing has been really good the last few years" Hmm, i'm sure that has nothing to do with MLPAs...

Let's be honest... when's that last time any of you caught more than 2 BFT on a trip in US waters? Very few of us have, and even then probably only last year or in '98. If you think sport fishermen don't have an impact on the local fish populations, you've probably never seen a cattle boat on a good tuna bite. Those captains will rape the ocean in a heartbeat to get their counts up.

If the regs work as they are intended, you should only need to catch ONE bluefin each... like this 60 pound beast we caught THIS MONTH!!!

Saddle up boys! These monsters are in kayak range!

yemff · 04-23-2015, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by chris138

I'm all for it. Close down mex, and regulate that shit in the US. Believe it or not, the folks over at NOAA Southwest Fisheries actually know a thing or two about our marine ecosystem. Try asking Dos Ballenas about the YT fishery. Ever stop to think, "wow the YT and WSB fishing has been really good the last few years" Hmm, i'm sure that has nothing to do with MLPAs...

Let's be honest... when's that last time any of you caught more than 2 BFT on a trip in US waters? Very few of us have, and even then probably only last year or in '98. If you think sport fishermen don't have an impact on the local fish populations, you've probably never seen a cattle boat on a good tuna bite. Those captains will rape the ocean in a heartbeat to get their counts up.

If the regs work as they are intended, you should only need to catch ONE bluefin each... like this 60 pound beast we caught THIS MONTH!!!

Saddle up boys! These monsters are in kayak range!

yeah im sure it has nothing to do with the warm water...

chris138 · 04-23-2015, 03:24 PM

The fish have to actually make it to socal waters for you to catch one...

chris138 · 04-23-2015, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by taggermike

First the inshore, now the off shore.
And what the hells up with filleting tuna
In to 6 piece and all meat from one fish
has to go in to one bag? Thats worse than the
Reg on filleting hslibut at sea. Mike

The filleting regs are so that people don't cut up their BFT and try to say that it's YFT. All the pieces go into seperate bags, one piece per bag. But if you're catching bluefin, please don't commit the sin of filleting on the water. Gut and gill them, take them home whole and brine them for at least 12 hours prior to filleting.

I had to fillet that big one OTW in the sun... at the request of the crew. A damn shame.

bubblehide · 04-23-2015, 06:56 PM

Statistically speaking, the recreational fishing take is not significant. What needs to be regulated is the commercial take. What really needs to happen is that Our fishery need to be managed with recreational fishermen being a priority, rather than the commercial industry like as it is now.

momo fish · 04-23-2015, 09:06 PM

Good point and One can only hope... The biggest issue seems to be the non oversight on international take by commercial.. Don't see that ever happening in my lifetime but who knows..

Quote:

Originally Posted by bubblehide

Statistically speaking, the recreational fishing take is not significant. What needs to be regulated is the commercial take. What really needs to happen is that Our fishery need to be managed with recreational fishermen being a priority, rather than the commercial industry like as it is now.

bubblehide · 04-23-2015, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by momo fish

Good point and One can only hope... The biggest issue seems to be the non oversight on international take by commercial.. Don't see that ever happening in my lifetime but who knows..

Yep, my whole gripe here is that our fish are a state public resource that is being totally abused by the vast majority being shipped out of the country. Our political system bears the responsibility for this clear mismanagement. Yet we recreational anglers are bearing the brunt; and when the fishery id depleted, we will continue to bear the brunt of this mismanagement. Obviously this issue, as I see it, is not limited to BFT. As you, I don't see this being fixed in my lifetime, unfortunately.

chris138 · 04-24-2015, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bubblehide

Yep, my whole gripe here is that our fish are a state public resource that is being totally abused by the vast majority being shipped out of the country. Our political system bears the responsibility for this clear mismanagement. Yet we recreational anglers are bearing the brunt; and when the fishery id depleted, we will continue to bear the brunt of this mismanagement. Obviously this issue, as I see it, is not limited to BFT. As you, I don't see this being fixed in my lifetime, unfortunately.

I'd say most people share your feeling of hopelessness.

Politically speaking... Recreational fisherman have no money and therefore no lobbying power in congress. The only chance WE have is to align ourselves with the scientific and conservationist movement, and promote our sport as responsible and sustainable. If it doesn't happen in your lifetime, it will never happen as the resource will be gone forever.

I don't see us gaining any traction in the scientific community as long as you have anglers griping and complaining about every regulation and marine reserve. Not to mention the cruelty to the sealions. All you sea lion haters need to shut up and quit giving us a bad name.

You take 20 minutes to reel in a 15 lb yellowtail, then complain about how a sea lion "stole" it from you?! Ha... That sea lion is just smarter than you! At least you can now claim that it was a 40lber lol

04-23-2015, 01:21 PM	#4
Kayak_Bernie Live Watersports ProStaff Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Rolando Village Posts: 224	Here is the major problem I see with this entire scenario, BFT are highly migratory, and they move across international borders without impediment. The VAST majority of these fish are picked off by international fishing vessels, that scoop up the BFT and countless other species of "bycatch" . Until something is done to prevent the over harvesting of BFT by these entities we must bear the brunt of the regulations. Is it fair, no, is it something...yes. It is like carbon emissions, we here in California are driving more and more energy efficient vehicles, and reducing our dependence on fossil fuels, but developing countries continue to burn coal and oil at an alarming rate. We cannot control them and we will have to do our part to help regardless of how much it sucks. We have an obligation to the natural world to help if we can, decades of unchecked fishing across the globe have decimated BFT and if we impose lower catch limits we at least will be doing something to stem the tide of collapse of this fishery. By some estimates over 90% of the fish being caught are too young to have even spawned one time, that is just ridiculous. I for one love tuna, and I love sport fishing, I am willing to reduce my daily catch from 10 to 2 for the hope that maybe, just maybe my kids will have the some opportunity that I have been afforded, to catch a BFT. Join the CCA and let your voice be heard, contact your congressman and tell him to have the USA put sanctions on countires who overfish BFT and the like. We only have one ocean, and we are doing a really good job at decimating the fish stocks, once they are gone, we as humans are going to be witness to a ecosystem collapse on par with the ice-age extinctions, and our health and livelyhood depend on the health of the oceans, if the oceans die...we die...Simple as that. __________________ Heroes on the Water SoCal Chapter Safety Director

04-22-2015, 03:45 PM	#1
Lipripper92592 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 516	Freaking jerks...regulate, regulate, regulate! I love the "sound" science behind this one. Comment submitted to NOAA, but I can assure you my comments will fall on deaf ears.

04-23-2015, 08:18 AM	#2
taggermike Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chula Vista Posts: 1,589	First the inshore, now the off shore. And what the hells up with filleting tuna In to 6 piece and all meat from one fish has to go in to one bag? Thats worse than the Reg on filleting hslibut at sea. Mike

04-23-2015, 12:36 PM	#3
driftwood Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SAN DIEGO Posts: 1,086	And Mexico says the bag limit is ZERO unit further notice.

04-23-2015, 02:11 PM	#5
chris138 donkey roper Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pacific Beach Posts: 968	I'm all for it. Close down mex, and regulate that shit in the US. Believe it or not, the folks over at NOAA Southwest Fisheries actually know a thing or two about our marine ecosystem. Try asking Dos Ballenas about the YT fishery. Ever stop to think, "wow the YT and WSB fishing has been really good the last few years" Hmm, i'm sure that has nothing to do with MLPAs... Let's be honest... when's that last time any of you caught more than 2 BFT on a trip in US waters? Very few of us have, and even then probably only last year or in '98. If you think sport fishermen don't have an impact on the local fish populations, you've probably never seen a cattle boat on a good tuna bite. Those captains will rape the ocean in a heartbeat to get their counts up. If the regs work as they are intended, you should only need to catch ONE bluefin each... like this 60 pound beast we caught THIS MONTH!!! Saddle up boys! These monsters are in kayak range!

04-23-2015, 03:24 PM	#7
chris138 donkey roper Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pacific Beach Posts: 968	The fish have to actually make it to socal waters for you to catch one...

04-23-2015, 06:56 PM	#9
bubblehide Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 552	Statistically speaking, the recreational fishing take is not significant. What needs to be regulated is the commercial take. What really needs to happen is that Our fishery need to be managed with recreational fishermen being a priority, rather than the commercial industry like as it is now.