An Email from NOAA Recreational Fisheries Coordinator

[YakDout]

Recreational fishing doesn't put a dent in the tuna population compared to the Seiners. You know, those guys who drag nets and are pulling up 10's of thousands of tuna at a time. Limit the recreational fisherman? Why? We're small timers on the big scale. On a good year all of San Diego's sport boats combined will pull in 10k BFT. Seiners do it every day....

[chris138]

Originally Posted by YakDout

Recreational fishing doesn't put a dent in the tuna population compared to the Seiners. You know, those guys who drag nets and are pulling up 10's of thousands of tuna at a time. Limit the recreational fisherman? Why? We're small timers on the big scale. On a good year all of San Diego's sport boats combined will pull in 10k BFT. Seiners do it every day....

Good point... That way we can do absolutely nothing and still complain.

[YakDout]

Originally Posted by chris138

Good point... That way we can do absolutely nothing and still complain.

So limit the guys who do it for fun a couple times a year and catch .05% of the population? Makes sense

[chris138]

Originally Posted by YakDout

So limit the guys who do it for fun a couple times a year and catch .05% of the population? Makes sense

So do nothing? What are you proposing? Or are you part of the "not in my lifetime" camp? No one is stopping you from catching as much bluefin as you want, you just have to release them after you get two. Is that really such a huge sacrifice for you? If you kept more than two decent sized BF, I'd bet $100 it would just sit in your freezer for six months and be catfood grade by the time you got around to eating it anyway!

Look I'm not trying to make enemies or piss people off. I just don't get why a bunch redneck kayak fishermen (myself included here) think they know more than scientists who have devoted their entire lives to understanding marine ecology and climate. The folks at fisheries aren't eco-nazis... Many of them are avid anglers themselves. Just recently I had dinner with a former director of fisheries. This person was so excited and stoked to see pictures and hear stories of fish that I had caught. They love the ocean and want to make it accessible to all of us, especially our future generations. Who do you think will be able to limit the evil commercial fisherman anyway? A bunch of disgruntled kayakers?

[YakDout]

Originally Posted by chris138

So do nothing? What are you proposing? Or are you part of the "not in my lifetime" camp? No one is stopping you from catching as much bluefin as you want, you just have to release them after you get two. Is that really such a huge sacrifice for you? If you kept more than two decent sized BF, I'd bet $100 it would just sit in your freezer for six months and be catfood grade by the time you got around to eating it anyway!



Look I'm not trying to make enemies or piss people off. I just don't get why a bunch redneck kayak fishermen (myself included here) think they know more than scientists who have devoted their entire lives to understanding marine ecology and climate. The folks at fisheries aren't eco-nazis... Many of them are avid anglers themselves. Just recently I had dinner with a former director of fisheries. This person was so excited and stoked to see pictures and hear stories of fish that I had caught. They love the ocean and want to make it accessible to all of us, especially our future generations. Who do you think will be able to limit the evil commercial fisherman anyway? A bunch of disgruntled kayakers?

I do agree with you that a couple kayak fisherman will not sway any commercial fisherman from doing what they do. And I'm definitely not one who thinks I'm living in my lifetime so screw younger generations. After all, I will have kids, grandkids, and so forth and would want them all to have every experience that I had and maybe better. I also agree that catching that much bluefin tuna for one person may eventually lead to some waste. I've come back from 3 day charters looking at my phone and waiting for that service to come in so I can make calls and dump some fresh fish with family and friends. Actually, I enjoy giving this fish away more than I do eating it myself. And I love seafood. The point that I was trying to make is that even while limiting recreational fisherman, the commercial guys will still be doing their jobs. Not saying that anyone can do one thing about the fishing that takes place in international waters, but I just don't feel that I personally take a whole lot out of BFT fishery.

[dos ballenas]

Originally Posted by chris138

So do nothing? What are you proposing? Or are you part of the "not in my lifetime" camp? No one is stopping you from catching as much bluefin as you want, you just have to release them after you get two. Is that really such a huge sacrifice for you? If you kept more than two decent sized BF, I'd bet $100 it would just sit in your freezer for six months and be catfood grade by the time you got around to eating it anyway!



Look I'm not trying to make enemies or piss people off. I just don't get why a bunch redneck kayak fishermen (myself included here) think they know more than scientists who have devoted their entire lives to understanding marine ecology and climate. The folks at fisheries aren't eco-nazis... Many of them are avid anglers themselves. Just recently I had dinner with a former director of fisheries. This person was so excited and stoked to see pictures and hear stories of fish that I had caught. They love the ocean and want to make it accessible to all of us, especially our future generations. Who do you think will be able to limit the evil commercial fisherman anyway? A bunch of disgruntled kayakers?

Scientists can't catch fish... but they love to hear about other people catching though

And that Greg Andrew guy sure can be a total jerk. He always seems to get in the way and make obnoxious comments

[dos ballenas]

I was at a seminar given by NOAA scientists last week..... this year and last year are quite warm.

But they said it's likely inter-annual variation, and not climate change.

That said, the NOAA scientists say the ocean off the US west coast is as warm as they have ever seen it for this time of year.

That said we only have data that goes back 50-60 years.... which is a SMALL time period.

So who knows.

That said, the links you put up about NOAA falsifying or changing their data are quite comical. Thanks for sharing that Liprippa. It made my day

[Lipripper92592]

Originally Posted by dos ballenas

I was at a seminar given by NOAA scientists last week..... this year and last year are quite warm.

But they said it's likely inter-annual variation, and not climate change.

That said, the NOAA scientists say the ocean off the US west coast is as warm as they have ever seen it for this time of year.

That said we only have data that goes back 50-60 years.... which is a SMALL time period.

So who knows.

That said, the links you put up about NOAA falsifying or changing their data are quite comical. Thanks for sharing that Liprippa. It made my day

It's refreshing to hear inter-annual variation, I couldn't agree any more.
But does not the second statement contradict the first one?
If you could, please let me know why that link is comical. My co-worker who has an advanced degree in physics and is a Director of the Meteorologist Department and believes in man made climate change has no issues with those comparison graphs. He strongly believes that NOAA has not done a complete job on explaining the changes/documentation in the published temp data sets. But sides with there conclusions. Any input?

If that video is of you tagging YT....any data being generated from the study? If so, anything online or published?