Bend over and grab your ankles...

[taggermike]

Well said Josh. Once areas are closed that's pretty much the end of them. Even if, some how, mlpas were proven to not benefit fish populations they would still remained closed.

And Silbaugh, the mlpa planners did an end around the state constitution. The part about only controlling season and the conditions of take was used to have no season and no conditions of take in certain areas. The state constitution clearly protects the peoples' right to fish but our politicians and a group of lawyers found a way to f it up. Mike

[Silbaugh4liberty]

Originally Posted by taggermike

Well said Josh. Once areas are closed that's pretty much the end of them. Even if, some how, mlpas were proven to not benefit fish populations they would still remained closed.

And Silbaugh, the mlpa planners did an end around the state constitution. The part about only controlling season and the conditions of take was used to have no season and no conditions of take in certain areas. The state constitution clearly protects the peoples' right to fish but our politicians and a group of lawyers found a way to f it up. Mike

I believe they utilize Color of Law (ie. Statutes) and nail people with it via a License (contractual agreement if you will), to make it apply. I firmly believe you can beat this if you got a ticket if you know what you're doing. Of course, its human nature to take the path of least resistance and not try to get a ticket by getting a license and abide by the statutes, but I believe it can be done.

And if someone really has some balls, they can pull a Marc Stevens from the No State Project, and file for Discovery to Prove that the Statues and Laws apply because you're physically with the state of (wherever). Crazy, but apparently it works according to all the video testimonies.

[Silbaugh4liberty]

Originally Posted by Silbaugh4liberty

I believe they utilize Color of Law (ie. Statutes) and nail people with it via a License (contractual agreement if you will), to make it apply. I firmly believe you can beat this if you got a ticket if you know what you're doing. Of course, its human nature to take the path of least resistance and not try to get a ticket by getting a license and abide by the statutes, but I believe it can be done.

And if someone really has some balls, they can pull a Marc Stevens from the No State Project, and file for Discovery to Prove that the Statues and Laws apply because you're physically with the state of (wherever). Crazy, but apparently it works according to all the video testimonies.

To further my argument, here's some Case Law for you:

"Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them."
Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 US 436, 491

"The claim and exercise of a constitutional Right cannot be converted into a crime."
Miller vs. U.S., 230 F. 486, 489

"There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of this exercise of constitutional Rights."
Snerer vs. Cullen, 481 F. 946

"The state cannot diminish Rights of the people."
Hurtado vs. California, 110 US 516

"It is the duty of the courts to be watchful for the Constitutional rights of the citizen and against any stealthy encroachments thereon."
Boyd vs. United States, 116 US 616

"Economic necessity cannot justify a disregard of Constitutional guarantee."
Riley vs. Carter, 79 ALR 1018;
16 Am.Jur. (2nd), Const. Law, Sect. 81



(YOU CAN'T EVEN MAKE THIS STUFF UP!!!)

[2-Stix]

Originally Posted by Silbaugh4liberty

I believe they utilize Color of Law (ie. Statutes) and nail people with it via a License (contractual agreement if you will), to make it apply. I firmly believe you can beat this if you got a ticket if you know what you're doing. Of course, its human nature to take the path of least resistance and not try to get a ticket by getting a license and abide by the statutes, but I believe it can be done.

And if someone really has some balls, they can pull a Marc Stevens from the No State Project, and file for Discovery to Prove that the Statues and Laws apply because you're physically with the state of (wherever). Crazy, but apparently it works according to all the video testimonies.

I hiked and fished Tar Creek for 20+ years, some assholes from LA posted youtube videos cliff diving, then place got trashed, 100+ people a weekend day. The environmentalist come in and claimed that there is an endangered Arroyo Toad, trash, what ever they need. The place is closed now. Along with 15 others I once played in as a kid swimming and fishing. This is how 50% of the place I ride and fish have closed. Over and over and over this happens. I spend all my free time out. I have lost countless spots.

So how do you fight that? You can't. Its over.

Theres even a yelp page for crying out loud.
http://www.yelp.com/biz/tar-creek-fillmore

Here is a good account of what happens to us time and time again.
Play by play.
This link is a friend that I get out doors with.
http://davidstillman.blogspot.com/20...sing-soon.html

[alanw]

Standard operating procedure for the government. Ask the guys fighting the BLM what to do.

[maquinapescado]

I commend you for the updates and time spent keeping tabs on the topics/issues. The sad thing is, there are a lot of anglers with the wrong idea/attitudes that immensely hurt the cause far more than the time you all spend and keep up with. Keep up the good fight.