CDFG - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Saba Slayer · 08-29-2016, 05:58 AM

BLA BLA BLA...please get back to me on this once you guys stop buying a California Fishing License and test your theory...until then it's all BS...and it's nothing but talk!!!
And talk is CHEAP...!

wiredantz · 08-29-2016, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Saba Slayer

BLA BLA BLA...please get back to me on this once you guys stop buying a California Fishing License and test your theory...until then it's all BS...and it's nothing but talk!!!
And talk is CHEAP...!

It is not up to the enforcement party to say who is right. If the enforcement is illegal than it is illegal.

The state can find ways to collect, they can issue more citation. They can follow you home and find those extra lobster in the freezer. Trust me they will collect their money.

In the case of Murdock vs Pennsylvania, that case had to go to supreme court in order to fight for their religious freedom because the state was adamant about collecting their fees.

I am trying to find all the legal reason why i would lose in court, but no one has come up with a valid legal reason.

The only reason that has come up is because I can't.

Well why can't I?

what are the legal reasons why?

If those guaranteed rights, offer equal protection to all:
Why do i have to pay for a recreational fishing license just because you say i have to?

o' because you(DFG,Fish&game,Local law enforcement, the STATE OF CA) threaten me... i see

i don't fish every day or every week. So my encounters with the wardens are few, but when i encounter them. It will begin...

cabojohn · 08-29-2016, 09:10 AM

This thread has turned south.
Stop pissing and moaning about having to buy a license to fish...either pay and play or get a citation. Pretty simple. NOBODY gives two shit weather YOU buy a license of not. However we are interested in how busted you actually get.

FWIW- the only way I know out of purchasing a fishing license is if your are an American Indian (CA) and can prove it.
*You still must purchase a lobster tag IF you desire to fish them.
Please note that you will have long visits the with DFW and you still may get a citation. Good luck. lol

Mr_Fixit · 08-29-2016, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cabojohn

This thread has turned south.
Stop pissing and moaning about having to buy a license to fish...either pay and play or get a citation. Pretty simple. NOBODY gives two shit weather YOU buy a license of not. However we are interested in how busted you actually get.

FWIW- the only way I know out of purchasing a fishing license is if your are an American Indian (CA) and can prove it.
*You still must purchase a lobster tag IF you desire to fish them.
Please note that you will have long visits the with DFW and you still may get a citation. Good luck. lol

And this is how a conversation turns south. Gotta love when someone takes a conversation and translates it into something more hostile.

Sad....

Now, lets get back to fishing?

LSmoot · 08-29-2016, 11:56 AM

@wiredantz I thought about your idea of not signing the license, but if I remember correctly the retailer (I usually buy from Big 5) always has made me sign right there at the register before I pay for it. I would bet they would not sell it to me if I don't sign it. Interesting to think about.

On another note, I understand we all may not agree with each other on this issue, but I do not understand why trying to defend one's rights provokes such a protest by some of us. To be clear, I am not saying we must or should agree with each other. But whatever you believe, it is beyond me why we get so worked up about it. When defending your rights is met with such anger and protest, it is just sad in my opinion. It’s already an uphill fight against the government, we don’t need to fight each other too.

What is so wrong about trying to defend one’s rights? It may be true that using a Constitutional defense is an uphill battle, or even impossible, but I say that is all-the-more reason to do so. On the other hand, it may not be. I’m sure it is also true, as I’ve read here, that such a defense would be laughed at. But, is that not the problem to begin with? After all, we either have a Constitution or we don’t.

Now, you may disagree with what the Constitution says, but then the battle you must fight is changing the Constitution, not beating down others who happen to disagree with you.

I do believe we need to manage the fisheries and stock - I get it. I don’t even mind paying for this service. I do think the MLPAs are ridiculous, as are fees for not having your license on you.

Bottom line for me is that an unchecked government of any kind tends to eventually result in a reduction of individual rights, so whenever I see some folks using their heads to fight for their rights, I say go for it.

Kayak_Bernie · 08-29-2016, 12:57 PM

No one is forcing you to buy a license, you have the choice to fish and if you choose to fish then you must buy a license , or suffer the consequences. Period

No government or society is ideal, but if you think its bad here. Try living in a country that will execute its own citizens for trying to educate themselves. Or in a country where all of the fish and game are property of the King and taking even one small bird can result in you and your family being put to death. Sure our laws and regulations aren't great, that is something we can ALL agree upon, but they are what we have and we have to play with the hand we are dealt, and work within a given framework to change and amend these laws. The pure and simple fact is that we as Americans have it way better than most people living on the planet earth right now. Over 2.9 BILLION or 33% of people on this planet make less than $3/day and 1.6 BILLION people lack sufficient housing. Just be glad that you have a roof over your head and a few bucks in your pocket. It can ALWAYS be much worse than forking over $50 bucks to a Tyrannical Oligarchy.

radastaff · 08-29-2016, 01:41 PM

just consider it a tax
its all funny money fiat anyways
faith and credit

P

wiredantz · 08-30-2016, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by LSmoot

@wiredantz I thought about your idea of not signing the license, but if I remember correctly the retailer (I usually buy from Big 5) always has made me sign right there at the register before I pay for it. I would bet they would not sell it to me if I don't sign it. .

Order it online....

I just sent a certified letter to CDFW, explaining that I want a Free 2017 Fishing license, and i listed all the court cases.

wonder if they will respond...

I never knew that the words the law use are NOT the same ENGlish definition we know them as, they are defined under a very different definition when you look at the Black Law Dictionary.

Mr. NiceGuy · 08-30-2016, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by wiredantz

Order it online....

I just sent a certified letter to CDFW, explaining that I want a Free 2017 Fishing license, and i listed all the court cases.

wonder if they will respond...

Sounds about like asking the people who work the counters at the local DMV for legal rulings. Good luck with that.

But I like the logic, poetry and passion of the way you think.

A girl can dream, can't she?

PS, please don't vote for Hillary.

Silbaugh4liberty · 08-30-2016, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiredantz

Order it online....

I just sent a certified letter to CDFW, explaining that I want a Free 2017 Fishing license, and i listed all the court cases.

wonder if they will respond...

I never knew that the words the law use are NOT the same ENGlish definition we know them as, they are defined under a very different definition when you look at the Black Law Dictionary.

Nice! Let me know how they respond. Did you notarize the letter? Just curious.

Who's fishing Laguna this weekend???

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08-29-2016, 05:58 AM	#1
Saba Slayer Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Palos Verdes Posts: 1,872	license BLA BLA BLA...please get back to me on this once you guys stop buying a California Fishing License and test your theory...until then it's all BS...and it's nothing but talk!!! And talk is CHEAP...! __________________ Jim / Saba Slayer

08-29-2016, 12:57 PM	#6
Kayak_Bernie Live Watersports ProStaff Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Rolando Village Posts: 224	Our Government is Great but it's what we have.... No one is forcing you to buy a license, you have the choice to fish and if you choose to fish then you must buy a license , or suffer the consequences. Period No government or society is ideal, but if you think its bad here. Try living in a country that will execute its own citizens for trying to educate themselves. Or in a country where all of the fish and game are property of the King and taking even one small bird can result in you and your family being put to death. Sure our laws and regulations aren't great, that is something we can ALL agree upon, but they are what we have and we have to play with the hand we are dealt, and work within a given framework to change and amend these laws. The pure and simple fact is that we as Americans have it way better than most people living on the planet earth right now. Over 2.9 BILLION or 33% of people on this planet make less than $3/day and 1.6 BILLION people lack sufficient housing. Just be glad that you have a roof over your head and a few bucks in your pocket. It can ALWAYS be much worse than forking over $50 bucks to a Tyrannical Oligarchy. __________________ Heroes on the Water SoCal Chapter Safety Director

08-29-2016, 09:10 AM	#3
cabojohn PROBATION Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 657	This thread has turned south. Stop pissing and moaning about having to buy a license to fish...either pay and play or get a citation. Pretty simple. NOBODY gives two shit weather YOU buy a license of not. However we are interested in how busted you actually get. FWIW- the only way I know out of purchasing a fishing license is if your are an American Indian (CA) and can prove it. *You still must purchase a lobster tag IF you desire to fish them. Please note that you will have long visits the with DFW and you still may get a citation. Good luck. lol

08-29-2016, 11:56 AM	#5
LSmoot Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 115	@wiredantz I thought about your idea of not signing the license, but if I remember correctly the retailer (I usually buy from Big 5) always has made me sign right there at the register before I pay for it. I would bet they would not sell it to me if I don't sign it. Interesting to think about. On another note, I understand we all may not agree with each other on this issue, but I do not understand why trying to defend one's rights provokes such a protest by some of us. To be clear, I am not saying we must or should agree with each other. But whatever you believe, it is beyond me why we get so worked up about it. When defending your rights is met with such anger and protest, it is just sad in my opinion. It’s already an uphill fight against the government, we don’t need to fight each other too. What is so wrong about trying to defend one’s rights? It may be true that using a Constitutional defense is an uphill battle, or even impossible, but I say that is all-the-more reason to do so. On the other hand, it may not be. I’m sure it is also true, as I’ve read here, that such a defense would be laughed at. But, is that not the problem to begin with? After all, we either have a Constitution or we don’t. Now, you may disagree with what the Constitution says, but then the battle you must fight is changing the Constitution, not beating down others who happen to disagree with you. I do believe we need to manage the fisheries and stock - I get it. I don’t even mind paying for this service. I do think the MLPAs are ridiculous, as are fees for not having your license on you. Bottom line for me is that an unchecked government of any kind tends to eventually result in a reduction of individual rights, so whenever I see some folks using their heads to fight for their rights, I say go for it.

08-29-2016, 01:41 PM	#7
radastaff Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 314	just consider it a tax its all funny money fiat anyways faith and credit P