trap on the fly? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Fiskadoro · 04-11-2018, 02:55 PM

No trap on the fly, but I have added them though occasionally especially when fishing in shallow water.

I often use a trap on the dropper loop if I'm getting a lot of halibut chewed bites. Generally if your getting halibut rakes on a flylined bait your letting the bait sit unattended too long. I.E. the bait is swimming down to the bottom and trying to hide. Spanish are notorious for this. If your getting a lot of raked baits and are not getting halibut bit with the dropper or standard halibut rigs there are two basic options. One is to run the fly short so there is no way for the bait to get to the bottom, the other is to put a one ounce egg weight on the line and put a swivel a few feet away from the bait. drop the bait to the bottom with the weight then crank it up several feet above the bottom then run it with a trap. That bait will swim around more then with a halibut rig, it will still get bit like a fly, but it's more controlled, always in the butt zone and trapped to boot. I've caught both halibut and white seabass using this trick.

However if you are fishing in shallow water under 20 feet neither of those apply so then I would just trap the bait.

So if that is not all controversial enough how about this: I rig my traps really weird.

I rig them with loops of spectra. If I'm fishing for halibut only I use 20lb green power pro spectra, of I'm fishing in areas I might get larger fish I use 30lb power pro spectra. I rig them both the same way.

I make a loop then tie the tag ends to the treble hook with a modified double improved clinch knot which is 100% with spectra. (this is the same not I use for big game offshore, attaching a double to swivel after a Bimini twist)

I tie up a bunch of these all at once with loops of varying lengths from two to six inches and different sized trebles. When fishing I tie my main hooks on normally.

If I want to add a trap I just attach it to the shank like this.

Note which side of the knot it is on

I've been fishing my traps like this for over a decade, never posted about it before and I just made those images, but basically no-one else has come up with this. (I've been waiting) I'm the only one I know doing it, I'm not going to write that best seller on rigging as planned, and it really works well..... so......since the proverbial catfish just got out of the killbag there are a ton of advantages to doing it this way.

First is the convenience. If you want at trap you just loop it on, you want to remove it loop it off. Loop on, loop off, it's just like a clapper.

Think about that a minute. Adding the trap is about as hard as hooking a new bait and takes about the same amount of time. Get a raked bait, stick on a trap with the next bait, don't get bit, remove it with the next bait, no re-rigging or knot tying needed. More direct If I had been in your shoes my next bait would of gone out with a trap.

That convenience also means that you can also constantly adjust the length of the trap to whatever baits you have which is a big deal if you are not buying, but making your bait. This is especially true with macks, with my method every bait is perfectly rigged with the right size and length trap.

Mono is clear but it has a much larger diameter then spectra and it also much stiffer. Twenty pound spectra is the diameter of fine thread, and it's completely limp with no plastic type memory, so naturally a trap rigged with spectra is hard for the fish to see. It's also camo, as green spectra looks like anchor worm gill threads which is something that fish are used to seeing all the time, and unlike mono it does not interfere with the baits ability to swim.

Yes the bait has a second hook in it but that's all that it's going to feel, and it will swim better with spectra.

Then there is the chew factor. If you fish traps as long as I have your going to get chewed. By that I mean when running mono traps in a good halibut bite you will soon notice the mono gets worked or nicked or worn and then you have to retie. This is a non issue with spectra, halibut teeth can not wear or cut it, even sharks can't cut it and even if they did you could just loop the bad one off and immediately loop a good one on. Since they are easy to take on and off I find I find that I just end up using the same ones trip after trip until they start to fray, and only have to tie up new ones a few times every season.

So there you have it. That is may take, you heard it here first...... Good luck if you choose to try it

Fiskadoro · 04-11-2018, 03:14 PM

All that said are you sure the baits were not getting nipped by barracuda? It happens

stevie951 · 04-11-2018, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiskadoro

All that said are you sure the baits were not getting nipped by barracuda? It happens

Dang, thanks for the info.. So I had two rigs out, one carolina, 3 oz sliding egg sinker easy 40-60 foot down and the fly i had out was no more than 20 feet behind me.. I think like YakDonut said, I just reeled too soon,, it got hit at first and went for a small run about 5 seconds, I looked back and thats when it took the bait again for a shorter run about 3 seconds as i was about to grab the rod it got spit up again.. I reeled in slow and nada, bait was dead for sure too and it had been put out a couple mins before so whatever it was did a number.. thats a super dope idea for the traps, i'm going to steal it because that sure beats the hell out of doing the standard trap rig with the two hooks two one line, leading and trailing..

Fiskadoro · 04-11-2018, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by stevie951

Dang, thanks for the info.. So I had two rigs out, one carolina, 3 oz sliding egg sinker easy 40-60 foot down and the fly i had out was no more than 20 feet behind me.. I think like YakDonut said, I just reeled too soon,, it got hit at first and went for a small run about 5 seconds, I looked back and thats when it took the bait again for a shorter run about 3 seconds as i was about to grab the rod it got spit up again.. I reeled in slow and nada, bait was dead for sure too and it had been put out a couple mins before so whatever it was did a number.. thats a super dope idea for the traps, i'm going to steal it because that sure beats the hell out of doing the standard trap rig with the two hooks two one line, leading and trailing..

Glad to help. I like coming up with my own rigging, that is one of my favorites. It's a good simple way to do it, and I've had nothing but good luck with it.

dpricenator · 04-12-2018, 06:24 AM

WOW! Thank you for that bit of golden knowledge. I guess I'm off to Walmart for some Spectra and T-hooks. Or maybe I'll swap out the trebles on a few

for the double assist hooks I just got. Then use those trebles for my traps. NOw I just need to go figure out that Super new and improved double cinch knot.

Flounder · 04-12-2018, 06:26 AM

I learned my new thing for the day thanks Fiskadoro!

Saba Slayer · 04-12-2018, 06:56 AM

"I just tie the treble on the main line,snell an offset eye hook above it, takes about a minute and you can slide the front hook for the size of the bait."

I also slide a swivel with about 12" to 18" of mono on the main line to attach the weight to and I tie a swivel on the end of the main line as a stopper for the weight swivel and to attach my leader with the trap hooks.

Henry and Pete taught me this inexpensive method back when Henry was commercially fishing Halibut in SM Bay. With the sliding snelled hook it makes it really easy to adjust for the size of bait you're using that day....and you can pre tie a bunch of them.

Tony Park and Paul Lebowitz did a great article in the latest WON on Halibut fishing...and Tony has caught a few biggies, so he knows what he's talking about...check out his tips...!

There are a lot of ways to skin a cat (or a Raccoon, Mitchell)...whatever works for your style of fishing and you are the most confident in is best way to go...

Jim / Saba Slayer

fongman · 04-13-2018, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiskadoro

Glad to help. I like coming up with my own rigging, that is one of my favorites......

What is your preferred method of attaching the trap hook to the bait? IOW, where is the entry point into the bait? Thanks!

taggermike · 04-22-2018, 12:19 PM

No trap hooks on a fly lined bait.
If you're getting short bit or missing bites try letting the fish eat the bait longer. If that doesn't work it might be small agressive fish that can't eat the bait any way.

04-11-2018, 02:55 PM	#1
Fiskadoro ....... Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,509	No trap on the fly, but I have added them though occasionally especially when fishing in shallow water. I often use a trap on the dropper loop if I'm getting a lot of halibut chewed bites. Generally if your getting halibut rakes on a flylined bait your letting the bait sit unattended too long. I.E. the bait is swimming down to the bottom and trying to hide. Spanish are notorious for this. If your getting a lot of raked baits and are not getting halibut bit with the dropper or standard halibut rigs there are two basic options. One is to run the fly short so there is no way for the bait to get to the bottom, the other is to put a one ounce egg weight on the line and put a swivel a few feet away from the bait. drop the bait to the bottom with the weight then crank it up several feet above the bottom then run it with a trap. That bait will swim around more then with a halibut rig, it will still get bit like a fly, but it's more controlled, always in the butt zone and trapped to boot. I've caught both halibut and white seabass using this trick. However if you are fishing in shallow water under 20 feet neither of those apply so then I would just trap the bait. So if that is not all controversial enough how about this: I rig my traps really weird. I rig them with loops of spectra. If I'm fishing for halibut only I use 20lb green power pro spectra, of I'm fishing in areas I might get larger fish I use 30lb power pro spectra. I rig them both the same way. I make a loop then tie the tag ends to the treble hook with a modified double improved clinch knot which is 100% with spectra. (this is the same not I use for big game offshore, attaching a double to swivel after a Bimini twist) I tie up a bunch of these all at once with loops of varying lengths from two to six inches and different sized trebles. When fishing I tie my main hooks on normally. If I want to add a trap I just attach it to the shank like this. Note which side of the knot it is on I've been fishing my traps like this for over a decade, never posted about it before and I just made those images, but basically no-one else has come up with this. (I've been waiting) I'm the only one I know doing it, I'm not going to write that best seller on rigging as planned, and it really works well..... so......since the proverbial catfish just got out of the killbag there are a ton of advantages to doing it this way. First is the convenience. If you want at trap you just loop it on, you want to remove it loop it off. Loop on, loop off, it's just like a clapper. Think about that a minute. Adding the trap is about as hard as hooking a new bait and takes about the same amount of time. Get a raked bait, stick on a trap with the next bait, don't get bit, remove it with the next bait, no re-rigging or knot tying needed. More direct If I had been in your shoes my next bait would of gone out with a trap. That convenience also means that you can also constantly adjust the length of the trap to whatever baits you have which is a big deal if you are not buying, but making your bait. This is especially true with macks, with my method every bait is perfectly rigged with the right size and length trap. Mono is clear but it has a much larger diameter then spectra and it also much stiffer. Twenty pound spectra is the diameter of fine thread, and it's completely limp with no plastic type memory, so naturally a trap rigged with spectra is hard for the fish to see. It's also camo, as green spectra looks like anchor worm gill threads which is something that fish are used to seeing all the time, and unlike mono it does not interfere with the baits ability to swim. Yes the bait has a second hook in it but that's all that it's going to feel, and it will swim better with spectra. Then there is the chew factor. If you fish traps as long as I have your going to get chewed. By that I mean when running mono traps in a good halibut bite you will soon notice the mono gets worked or nicked or worn and then you have to retie. This is a non issue with spectra, halibut teeth can not wear or cut it, even sharks can't cut it and even if they did you could just loop the bad one off and immediately loop a good one on. Since they are easy to take on and off I find I find that I just end up using the same ones trip after trip until they start to fray, and only have to tie up new ones a few times every season. So there you have it. That is may take, you heard it here first...... Good luck if you choose to try it Last edited by Fiskadoro; 04-11-2018 at 03:27 PM.

04-11-2018, 03:14 PM	#2
Fiskadoro ....... Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,509	All that said are you sure the baits were not getting nipped by barracuda? It happens Last edited by Fiskadoro; 04-11-2018 at 03:28 PM.

04-12-2018, 06:24 AM	#5
dpricenator Senior Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: South OC Posts: 120	WOW! Thank you for that bit of golden knowledge. I guess I'm off to Walmart for some Spectra and T-hooks. Or maybe I'll swap out the trebles on a fewfor the double assist hooks I just got. Then use those trebles for my traps. NOw I just need to go figure out that Super new and improved double cinch knot.

04-12-2018, 06:56 AM	#7
Saba Slayer Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Palos Verdes Posts: 1,872	trap... "I just tie the treble on the main line,snell an offset eye hook above it, takes about a minute and you can slide the front hook for the size of the bait." I also slide a swivel with about 12" to 18" of mono on the main line to attach the weight to and I tie a swivel on the end of the main line as a stopper for the weight swivel and to attach my leader with the trap hooks. Henry and Pete taught me this inexpensive method back when Henry was commercially fishing Halibut in SM Bay. With the sliding snelled hook it makes it really easy to adjust for the size of bait you're using that day....and you can pre tie a bunch of them. Tony Park and Paul Lebowitz did a great article in the latest WON on Halibut fishing...and Tony has caught a few biggies, so he knows what he's talking about...check out his tips...! There are a lot of ways to skin a cat (or a Raccoon, Mitchell)...whatever works for your style of fishing and you are the most confident in is best way to go... Jim / Saba Slayer __________________ Jim / Saba Slayer

04-12-2018, 06:26 AM	#6
Flounder Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 101	I learned my new thing for the day thanks Fiskadoro!

04-22-2018, 12:19 PM	#9
taggermike Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chula Vista Posts: 1,589	No trap hooks on a fly lined bait. If you're getting short bit or missing bites try letting the fish eat the bait longer. If that doesn't work it might be small agressive fish that can't eat the bait any way.