Hookup Baits - Thoughts? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Saba Slayer · 05-17-2018, 10:17 AM

He is trying to make good...
He has a grom of the month drawing where he picks a winner and takes the kid and his dad fishing at his expense each month.
He donates to CCA CAL in many ways.
He works with Anglers Chronicles with their shoe donations to Mexico.
He has been under the microscope with all the excellent finishes he and Al had in the bass tourneys last year and I've talked to the other So Cal Tourney directors and they all feel that he's playing fair...

When I was in the film biz I had a guy that was on my crew that had spent some time in the Louisiana pen system for a number of years for a major crime...He was one of my most trusted and best employees for about 15 years until he died...
Sometimes you just have to give a guy another chance...Trust me... I was no angel when I was young...!

Just MHO...

You can either buy his baits or decide not to but in my humble opinion there is no need to bash him again...This is OLD news...!
Jim

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Originally Posted by ful-rac

From what I understand, chad has paid his debt to society, and is still paying for it with bad press....and will probably pay for it the rest of his life. I think he learned his lesson and will likely never do it again so as long as he's not a complete dumbass...which he's probably not at this point...

I think he spent some time in big house and paid a huge fine...so far it seems that he is trying to make things right by supporting the fishing community. Whether it's his time, products and or his own money, he has tried to make amends.

As far as his hookup baits go... From what I understand they work and work well. If you don't want to support him or his business for this reason, obviously that's completely up to you. He has a second chance to do things right this time. He is definitely under the microscope, and probably will be forever.

So as long as he is on the strait and narrow now...I think he should get a second chance...

What say you?

TroutBum · 05-17-2018, 10:28 AM

I use them with success! I can't throw rocks...….

dpricenator · 05-17-2018, 10:37 AM

I agree with most of the posts here. Once the debt to society is paid, it's all good until he does it again.

God Knows there are several of us here who should have probably done hard time for the things we did when we were younger. I thank him daily for making me smart enough not to get caught when I was young and smart enough to know that I was going to get caught at some point. Changed ways, and haven't looked back.

stevie951 · 05-17-2018, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dpricenator

Once the debt to society is paid, it's all good until he does it again.

I politely disagree. Anyone whom poaches knowingly and is prosecuted should be banned from ever obtaining a recreational license of any type in their lifetime.. If this were the case, and we all knew, do you think people would still Poach? Not nearly as many!!

alanw · 05-17-2018, 11:04 AM

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Anyone whom poaches knowingly and is prosecuted should be banned from ever obtaining a recreational license of any type in their lifetime..

I agree with this. I wouldn't let my children play at a convicted sex offender's house once his "debt" is paid.

dpricenator · 05-18-2018, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by alanw

I agree with this. I wouldn't let my children play at a convicted sex offender's house once his "debt" is paid.

And neither would I. I also probably would not knowingly let a previous poacher store his catch in my cooler. But if the bait works, it works. So he poached, and paid his debt. That shouldn't mean that he should not be able to operate a business.

I would support legislation that restricted a convicted poacher's ability to get a fishing/hunting license for a period of time. Not that many poachers give crap about being licensed, anyway. I see people taking short fish on the piers all the time. Usually because of ignorance, but most unlicensed fisherman have not taken the time to know what is what and when what fish can be taken.

Some dude was going to keep an 2 foot Leo, in San Clem the other day. I let him know, with as few curse words as possible, that he needed to throw that fish back ASAP. He told me there was no size limit on Leos. I told him to throw it back, then look it up. ANd that If I was wrong, I would buy him a case of beer. He tossed it back and we parted ways. About an hour later he walked back by me, and dropped off a six pack of Ballast Point Sculipn IPA, as a way to say thanks for the info. Then I told him alcohol was not allowed on the pier. Just kidding, I didn't say that last part.....

goldenglory18 · 05-18-2018, 06:50 AM

I havent tried them personally but as a bass/artificial lure focused angler, I know there is a ton of hype behind the brand.

Would I decide to buy a product based on the history behind the proprietor? Possibly. But I guarantee a lot of Americans are blind to the past of A LOT of the business and people they support. Case and point: Donald.

Saba Slayer · 05-18-2018, 06:53 AM

Boy Oh Boy...there must be a lot of Angels out there that have never done anything wrong in their lives...I'd like to meet a few of you perfect people...!!!

Never speed, steal, lie, cheat on your taxes, or waste the resources...Yea Right...!!!

This guy poached...He didn't sell drugs, beat someone up, murder someone or steal a car...he poached and payed his dues and he's trying to make a successful business! Give the guy a break or don't buy his product...it's as simple as that...NO NEED TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE...!!!
What is up with some of you guys...you are obviously, way more Holy than me...?!

Thanks GoldenGlory... X2 "But I guarantee a lot of Americans are blind to the past of A LOT of the business and people they support."

Denis_Ruso · 05-17-2018, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stevie951

I politely disagree. Anyone whom poaches knowingly and is prosecuted should be banned from ever obtaining a recreational license of any type in their lifetime.. If this were the case, and we all knew, do you think people would still Poach? Not nearly as many!!

A bit harsh in my opinion but I see where you are coming from. More severe penalties would be more of a deterrence for people. I think this was exemplified pretty well on decision for revocation of the commercial fishing license for 5 years of the Pacific Star back in February. Which IMO is pretty much a death sentence for a sport fishing operation.

I think this more of a sociological issue and question on whether people are capable of change. If a man commits a crime should he be robbed of his potential to do good in the future? Life is a learning experience and everyone makes mistakes. Most learn through their mistakes, so paying for yours for the rest of your life seems a bit severe and does not offer the opportunity to learn.

So assuming he has learned his lesson and is doing good for the fishing community, do you believe in second chances?

ful-rac · 05-17-2018, 12:36 PM

It was the Pacific Star not the Royal Star...

Denis_Ruso · 05-17-2018, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ful-rac

It was the Pacific Star not the Royal Star...

Thank you. Corrected.

Chuck D · 05-18-2018, 05:55 AM

Good information to take into consideration when supporting a business. My future purchases will not include this company. Yes, second chances are of course a nice thing to do if you believe the crime is acceptable enough to forgive...

Mahigeer · 05-23-2018, 11:18 AM

I still maintain that the only way to reduce poaching is by public awareness.
Educating the newbies is another important avenue.
There should be Public Service Announcement paid by the poachers.

A father that poaches is one thing.
However; if he teaches his kids that it is ok to ignore the law. That is unforgivable.

tak100 · 05-17-2018, 10:34 PM

Sav-On Tackle has a version of a tube bait that I tried two weeks ago down at La Jolla.

I was amazed at the action. Three rockfish and a calico for that day.

*Full disclosure I was given a free sample of these new baits but I think I was just a lucky customer that asked at the right time and not affiliated with the shop in other way.

In any case there are close alternatives available on the market and these things work.

nagami · 05-20-2018, 10:03 AM

great article,thanks for sharing

Tekniks · 05-23-2018, 06:10 AM

Everyone gets a second chance to do right. Doesnt stop me from using the baits as long as I know I'm compliant. How about this latest bust by the DFG? Will Red Rooster 3 be boycotted by their mistake?

https://www.facebook.com/CaliforniaD...082160/?type=3

DPevin · 05-23-2018, 11:15 AM

Awhile ago I bought a couple packs for fishing in the harbor. Hooks bent/broke too easy in my opinion for how expensive they are. And if the fish are biting the hook up bait you can get them to bite a number of other things just as well for half the cost. Nothing magical about it. I won't be buying them again. Fishing is suddenly the cool thing to do it seems. With what seems like an influx of new folks the timing is right and those folks see people getting bit on the baits plastered all over social media and probably have some misconception that the need those baits to get bit. Can't knock the guy for capitalizing on the current situation.

I understand he has been "punished" and fined and all of that has been paid. I am also for second chances and believe people can change and should be given the opportunity to do so.

However, the he poached 3 deer in the park. Involved his kid in the whole thing as well as a couple other guys. Glassed up the rangers to avoid them. Took a warden 6 days to track them down. They covered up the evidence. The whole thing was just so intentional and so far from a mistake.

I personally have no desire to support someone like that changed or not, debt paid or not. I also wouldn't ever dare judge anyone that doesn't mind supporting him and his business and legitimate activities and current support of the industry. His fine was something like $50,000 dollars, not a lot of people have that kind of money just laying around. In some strange way my mind goes to the place of, every dollar earned from the bait company goes toward recouping the cost of that fine. I fully realize that is irrational and probably isn't the case. But I can't help but feel a debt isn't paid if you don't bare the whole burden.

jdvarnold · 05-23-2018, 12:06 PM

I have used them and have had nothing but success, one (if not THE) best baits I have ever used. He was convicted and served his punishment.

goldenglory18 · 05-24-2018, 12:50 PM

Anyone catch Angler Chronicles this past weekend? Sergio was up in BC and had our boy from Hook Up Baits with him. Sergio typically talks a lot about conservation but was pretty quiet on that front this episode. I wonder if that was intentional....

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Originally Posted by ful-rac

Andy Cates is a Legend...

...any relation to (the also legendary) Phoebe Cates?

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Originally Posted by jdvarnold

I have used them and have had nothing but success, one (if not THE) best baits I have ever used. He was convicted and served his punishment.

They work, that's for sure. But so does a lot of other stuff out there.....

equyst · 05-25-2018, 09:23 AM

great articel,thanks

05-18-2018, 06:53 AM	#8
Saba Slayer Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Palos Verdes Posts: 1,871	Angels... Boy Oh Boy...there must be a lot of Angels out there that have never done anything wrong in their lives...I'd like to meet a few of you perfect people...!!! Never speed, steal, lie, cheat on your taxes, or waste the resources...Yea Right...!!! This guy poached...He didn't sell drugs, beat someone up, murder someone or steal a car...he poached and payed his dues and he's trying to make a successful business! Give the guy a break or don't buy his product...it's as simple as that...NO NEED TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE...!!! What is up with some of you guys...you are obviously, way more Holy than me...?! Thanks GoldenGlory... X2 "But I guarantee a lot of Americans are blind to the past of A LOT of the business and people they support." __________________ Jim / Saba Slayer Last edited by Saba Slayer; 05-18-2018 at 07:06 AM.

05-17-2018, 12:36 PM	#10
ful-rac Emperor Join Date: May 2009 Location: Buena Park Posts: 3,649	It was the Pacific Star not the Royal Star... __________________ There's nothing colder than yesterday's hotdog.

05-17-2018, 10:28 AM	#2
TroutBum Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: OC Posts: 62	I use them with success! I can't throw rocks...….

05-17-2018, 10:37 AM	#3
dpricenator Senior Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: South OC Posts: 120	I agree with most of the posts here. Once the debt to society is paid, it's all good until he does it again. God Knows there are several of us here who should have probably done hard time for the things we did when we were younger. I thank him daily for making me smart enough not to get caught when I was young and smart enough to know that I was going to get caught at some point. Changed ways, and haven't looked back.

05-18-2018, 06:50 AM	#7
goldenglory18 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Seattle Area Posts: 861	I havent tried them personally but as a bass/artificial lure focused angler, I know there is a ton of hype behind the brand. Would I decide to buy a product based on the history behind the proprietor? Possibly. But I guarantee a lot of Americans are blind to the past of A LOT of the business and people they support. Case and point: Donald.

05-18-2018, 05:55 AM	#12
Chuck D Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bay Park Posts: 559	Good information to take into consideration when supporting a business. My future purchases will not include this company. Yes, second chances are of course a nice thing to do if you believe the crime is acceptable enough to forgive...

05-23-2018, 11:18 AM	#13
Mahigeer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,910	I still maintain that the only way to reduce poaching is by public awareness. Educating the newbies is another important avenue. There should be Public Service Announcement paid by the poachers. A father that poaches is one thing. However; if he teaches his kids that it is ok to ignore the law. That is unforgivable.

05-17-2018, 10:34 PM	#14
tak100 Recruit Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 153	Sav-On Tackle has a version of a tube bait that I tried two weeks ago down at La Jolla. I was amazed at the action. Three rockfish and a calico for that day. *Full disclosure I was given a free sample of these new baits but I think I was just a lucky customer that asked at the right time and not affiliated with the shop in other way. In any case there are close alternatives available on the market and these things work.

05-20-2018, 10:03 AM	#15
nagami Junior Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 3	great article,thanks for sharing

05-23-2018, 06:10 AM	#16
Tekniks Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 109	Everyone gets a second chance to do right. Doesnt stop me from using the baits as long as I know I'm compliant. How about this latest bust by the DFG? Will Red Rooster 3 be boycotted by their mistake? https://www.facebook.com/CaliforniaD...082160/?type=3

05-23-2018, 11:15 AM	#17
DPevin Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Dana Point Posts: 96	Awhile ago I bought a couple packs for fishing in the harbor. Hooks bent/broke too easy in my opinion for how expensive they are. And if the fish are biting the hook up bait you can get them to bite a number of other things just as well for half the cost. Nothing magical about it. I won't be buying them again. Fishing is suddenly the cool thing to do it seems. With what seems like an influx of new folks the timing is right and those folks see people getting bit on the baits plastered all over social media and probably have some misconception that the need those baits to get bit. Can't knock the guy for capitalizing on the current situation. I understand he has been "punished" and fined and all of that has been paid. I am also for second chances and believe people can change and should be given the opportunity to do so. However, the he poached 3 deer in the park. Involved his kid in the whole thing as well as a couple other guys. Glassed up the rangers to avoid them. Took a warden 6 days to track them down. They covered up the evidence. The whole thing was just so intentional and so far from a mistake. I personally have no desire to support someone like that changed or not, debt paid or not. I also wouldn't ever dare judge anyone that doesn't mind supporting him and his business and legitimate activities and current support of the industry. His fine was something like $50,000 dollars, not a lot of people have that kind of money just laying around. In some strange way my mind goes to the place of, every dollar earned from the bait company goes toward recouping the cost of that fine. I fully realize that is irrational and probably isn't the case. But I can't help but feel a debt isn't paid if you don't bare the whole burden.

05-23-2018, 12:06 PM	#18
jdvarnold Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 40	I have used them and have had nothing but success, one (if not THE) best baits I have ever used. He was convicted and served his punishment.

05-25-2018, 09:23 AM	#20
equyst Banned Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 23	great articel,thanks