Running 2 lines

[SoCalEDC]

Lots of good info here, thanks guys

[FullFlavorPike]

I've gotten bit on the dropper loop with a flyline also running out the back before, and the thing that wigged me out was having the fish spin me in circles, which wrapped the flyline around my spare rods and stuff. I was thinking about what would happen if something picked up the flylined bait and started spooling spectra out at warp speed when that spectra is all tangled in my stuff. I didn't love the thought.

My guess is this is a problem hobies don't have, since you can probably prevent that circling pretty easily with a few pedal strokes and clever rudder placement; but I have yet to figure out a method of controling the boat with the paddle and winding on a running fish at the same time.

[Oolie]

Originally Posted by FullFlavorPike

I've gotten bit on the dropper loop with a flyline also running out the back before, and the thing that wigged me out was having the fish spin me in circles, which wrapped the flyline around my spare rods and stuff. I was thinking about what would happen if something picked up the flylined bait and started spooling spectra out at warp speed when that spectra is all tangled in my stuff. I didn't love the thought.

My guess is this is a problem hobies don't have, since you can probably prevent that circling pretty easily with a few pedal strokes and clever rudder placement; but I have yet to figure out a method of controling the boat with the paddle and winding on a running fish at the same time.

Two things.
Using a drift chute helps because it prevents the fish from pulling you around easily, it really puts the pressure on them, which can cause hooks to pull and straighten more easily, so verify your drag settings and tackle if you go this route. You don't need to be drifting for this to be relevant, if you're trolling and you get bit, throw the setup chute in the ocean and it will self-set.


The other thing is a rudder. As long as the kayak is in motion, the rudder is affecting the travel direction, so having a rudder can help steer the kayak to correct for line placement, but it isn't the best solution, as it requires some micromanaging. When combined with pedals or a passive motion (trolling motor) it becomes more effective when caught in the heat of the moment.


Nothing prepares you for the moment of truth like mental prep. A little meditation on the moment most stressful will prepare you to deal with the situation more than any other method. Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

[TJones]

Originally Posted by SoCalEDC

Lots of good info here, thanks guys

Thanks for all the tips. Really helpful.

[JohnMckroidJr]

Interesting to read the different perspectives. Normally, I would never throw out a drift chute while fighting a fish. Instead, chase the fish down. The less line out, the less chance for something to go wrong. In my area, a lot of line out might mean a boater cuts your line, or your fish finds a wreck or sharp bottom to cut your line on. By chasing the fish down, you keep the fish in more of a straight up and down position which means less chance of the fish breaking your line with a tail lash. Normally one equates a tail lash break with a shark, but it can happen with other fork-tailed pelagics as well. Focus on the fish, if the other line gets tangled, cut it if you have to.
Peddling can keep the other line clear of the way as you bring in the fish. Usually, I will take winds intermittently on the other line in the rod holder until it is clear before the hooked fish starts circling the kayak. In my area, if plenty of bait is available, 1 line is trolled on the surface while the other is run deep. I use a downrigger for my deep bait, but most will put a 6-8oz sinker on the deep line by rubber band about 60ft up from the live bait.

[FullFlavorPike]

Originally Posted by JohnMckroidJr

Interesting to read the different perspectives. Normally, I would never throw out a drift chute while fighting a fish. Instead, chase the fish down. The less line out, the less chance for something to go wrong. In my area, a lot of line out might mean a boater cuts your line, or your fish finds a wreck or sharp bottom to cut your line on. By chasing the fish down, you keep the fish in more of a straight up and down position which means less chance of the fish breaking your line with a tail lash. Normally one equates a tail lash break with a shark, but it can happen with other fork-tailed pelagics as well. Focus on the fish, if the other line gets tangled, cut it if you have to.
Peddling can keep the other line clear of the way as you bring in the fish. Usually, I will take winds intermittently on the other line in the rod holder until it is clear before the hooked fish starts circling the kayak. In my area, if plenty of bait is available, 1 line is trolled on the surface while the other is run deep. I use a downrigger for my deep bait, but most will put a 6-8oz sinker on the deep line by rubber band about 60ft up from the live bait.

For sure getting over the fish is step one in any fair fight. The circling thing happens after you get over them. If, say, a healthy la jolla YT is running in big circles, it can have your boat doing pirouettes. Hobie guys don't have the problem because they can twist the rudder and give the drive a kick and that's that. I have no rudder on my boat, and I'm not even sure the currently available OK rudder kits can even attach to it. Might be obsolete.

[igotpron]

Originally Posted by FullFlavorPike

For sure getting over the fish is step one in any fair fight. The circling thing happens after you get over them. If, say, a healthy la jolla YT is running in big circles, it can have your boat doing pirouettes. Hobie guys don't have the problem because they can twist the rudder and give the drive a kick and that's that. I have no rudder on my boat, and I'm not even sure the currently available OK rudder kits can even attach to it. Might be obsolete.

I believe the stupid ones just spin in a circle. While the “home guards” bolt for any structure they can find.


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[jorluivil]

I ALWAYS run two lines, sometimes I will run three but when running three you have constantly be paying attention to your lines.

If I'm running two and I hook a fish here is what I do:

1. Adjust my seat because chances are I was sleeping
8. Call Tony and Greg on the radio and ask them what we're having for lunch
3. Take a selfie and do a TikTok
9. Listen to Tony complain and say that I hooked nothing more than a batray
2. Check text messages and missed calls
4. Set hook
6. Wonder why I'm out fishing and not at home sleeping
5. Set hook, again.
3. Wind up other line(s)
2. Get back on the radio and tell Tony and Greg that it feels like my PB
8. Adjust my seat, again
7. Take another selfie because I wasn't happy with the first one
1. Release batray

Hope that helps

[TJones]

Originally Posted by jorluivil

I ALWAYS run two lines, sometimes I will run three but when running three you have constantly be paying attention to your lines.

If I'm running two and I hook a fish here is what I do:

1. Adjust my seat because chances are I was sleeping
8. Call Tony and Greg on the radio and ask them what we're having for lunch
3. Take a selfie and do a TikTok
9. Listen to Tony complain and say that I hooked nothing more than a batray
2. Check text messages and missed calls
4. Set hook
6. Wonder why I'm out fishing and not at home sleeping
5. Set hook, again.
3. Wind up other line(s)
2. Get back on the radio and tell Tony and Greg that it feels like my PB
8. Adjust my seat, again
7. Take another selfie because I wasn't happy with the first one
1. Release batray

Hope that helps

Hope you are well and safe.

[chris138]

Originally Posted by jorluivil

I ALWAYS run two lines, sometimes I will run three but when running three you have constantly be paying attention to your lines.

If I'm running two and I hook a fish here is what I do:

1. Adjust my seat because chances are I was sleeping
8. Call Tony and Greg on the radio and ask them what we're having for lunch
3. Take a selfie and do a TikTok
9. Listen to Tony complain and say that I hooked nothing more than a batray
2. Check text messages and missed calls
4. Set hook
6. Wonder why I'm out fishing and not at home sleeping
5. Set hook, again.
3. Wind up other line(s)
2. Get back on the radio and tell Tony and Greg that it feels like my PB
8. Adjust my seat, again
7. Take another selfie because I wasn't happy with the first one
1. Release batray

Hope that helps

LMFAO I'm dying

[JohnMckroidJr]

Originally Posted by igotpron

I believe the stupid ones just spin in a circle. While the “home guards” bolt for any structure they can find.


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If one survives the first couple of runs of the fish looking for structure, they all eventually wear out and go into the death circles before making it up to the kayak.

[TJones]

Originally Posted by JohnMckroidJr

If one survives the first couple of runs of the fish looking for structure, they all eventually wear out and go into the death circles before making it up to the kayak.

Do you try to get the deep drop rig up completely or just under the surface if I was hooked up on the fly line? Or, is this not gonna be a real issue of him wrapping in the other line?