How Much Capacity Is Really Needed?

[Gnarwhal]

I have a 2020 Outback. I weigh about 250 without any gear on. I have the Hobie live well V2, four rods/reels, gaf, Garmin fish finder, batteries and plenty of tackle. The only times I ever actually feel unstable is when I kneel on the seat to reach the very back of the kayak. I turn around in the seat and move all over the yak.

[dapHBCM]

Originally Posted by Gnarwhal

I have a 2020 Outback. I weigh about 250 without any gear on. I have the Hobie live well V2, four rods/reels, gaf, Garmin fish finder, batteries and plenty of tackle. The only times I ever actually feel unstable is when I kneel on the seat to reach the very back of the kayak. I turn around in the seat and move all over the yak.

That's comforting - the more I research it seems like there is a pretty healthy buffer calculated into the capacities for some of the kayaks.

I can across these float bags while sifting through articles: https://www.nrs.com/product/42080/nr...yak-float-bags

They wouldn't stop the kayak from flipping, but it would probably help if it did flip or there was a leak. Anyone have any experience with these? Gimic? Over the top?

[SoCalEDC]

Originally Posted by dapHBCM

That's comforting - the more I research it seems like there is a pretty healthy buffer calculated into the capacities for some of the kayaks.

I can across these float bags while sifting through articles: https://www.nrs.com/product/42080/nr...yak-float-bags

They wouldn't stop the kayak from flipping, but it would probably help if it did flip or there was a leak. Anyone have any experience with these? Gimic? Over the top?

They probably help, but if you get an outback it comes with foam blocks installed in the hull that provide buoyancy in the event that the hull takes on water. I have seen some of the old school guys out pool noodles inside the older hulls to replicate that.

[dapHBCM]

Originally Posted by SoCalEDC

They probably help, but if you get an outback it comes with foam blocks installed in the hull that provide buoyancy in the event that the hull takes on water. I have seen some of the old school guys out pool noodles inside the older hulls to replicate that.

I read somewhere about putting an electric bilge pump into the kayak instead of carrying a hand pump. The logic was that you will get fatigued from the hand pump ---- seems like overkill to me, but are people actually doing this?

[JohnMckroidJr]

Originally Posted by dapHBCM

I read somewhere about putting an electric bilge pump into the kayak instead of carrying a hand pump. The logic was that you will get fatigued from the hand pump ---- seems like overkill to me, but are people actually doing this?

Many years ago, I installed an electric pump after flipping and losing a bunch of gear offshore on a Pro Angler 14. It was an overkill response to the loss. In reality, the main reason for the loss was that I had taken the front liner out of the fwd hatch, and the early PA's did not have any sealing gaskets, so if the front hatch did not have the liner, it flooded the whole kayak quickly when overturned.

With the gasket-sealed hatches and extra internal floatation, the risk is lower, and now I just carry a hand pump, bailer, and sponge. Since that incident, I always keep the liner in the front hatch of the PA14 for extra safety.

I weigh 200lbs, typically take 4-6 conventional rods, a fish bag with 12lbs of food, water, and ice, 4lbs of tackle, a downrigger with a 5-6lb lead, Fishfinder with a 6lb battery, and the Livewell that depending on which one I use, weighs 68-94lbs when filled with water.

Taking this gear, I have never had issues with capacity on the PA14(rated for 650lbs). Last year, I started using the 2019 Outback(rated for 425lbs). I can carry the same amount of gear without issue provided I practice more catch and release. I did have one trip with the 94lb Livewell when the 75lbs of landed fish could not be stowed in the fish bag without sinking the back end of the kayak. I dumped the Livewell and headed in.

[dapHBCM]

Originally Posted by JohnMckroidJr

I did have one trip with the 94lb Livewell when the 75lbs of landed fish could not be stowed in the fish bag without sinking the back end of the kayak. I dumped the Livewell and headed in.

I appreciate the info and hope to have to make that same call soon!

[SoCalEDC]

Originally Posted by dapHBCM

I read somewhere about putting an electric bilge pump into the kayak instead of carrying a hand pump. The logic was that you will get fatigued from the hand pump ---- seems like overkill to me, but are people actually doing this?

I have not seen it. I just carry a big sponge. I did the manual bilge pump for a while but it slides around the inside of the hull to where it was mostly unreachable at times and if could finally reach it, its long and awkward to position it to comfortable pump water from between your legs out over the side. I tried to tie it a few times, and then the line would end up in the way of other stuff I wanted in the hull. The sponge doesn't take up much space and doesn't slide around. I just squeezed it between the bottom of the inside of the hull and the center hatch bucket of the kayak when I was on the wtaer and it never moved and was right where I needed it if I did. It also works great for rinsing stuff off. just dip it in the ocean, and then squeeze it over your legs to get the nasty blood from a flailing fish off.