Public lands sale - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

monstahfish · 06-18-2025, 11:28 AM

The budget reconciliation bill that is going through the senate has a lot of poison pills but the sale of public lands will affect us fishermen and hunters the most! Check out this map of all the areas that will be for sale to timber, mining and fossil fuel interests. Once this land is taken from the American people, we will not get it back!https://wilderness.maps.arcgis.com/a...4a0e80-layer-2

It doesn't matter your political persuasion, if you trout fish, this affects you. Up for sale is a large section of the east side of the kern river, including areas around the south fork and some of the last refuges for our native golden trout. Upper sections of Hot creek, large swaths of local national forest including local native rainbow trout habitat and blm land will put our recreational opportunities at risk.

What can you do? Call our senators and tell them to fight and vote no. Call Darrel Issa and tell him you don't want this. Join land conservation groups like the Teddy Roosevelt Conservation Partnership and donate so their lawyers can sue to stop it and lobby congress.

TheBentRod · 06-18-2025, 05:26 PM

Too late. The land grab and other crap along with misleading information will go on for the next 2 - 4 years. If not longer.........

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Originally Posted by monstahfish

The budget reconciliation bill that is going through the senate has a lot of poison pills but the sale of public lands will affect us fishermen and hunters the most! Check out this map of all the areas that will be for sale to timber, mining and fossil fuel interests. Once this land is taken from the American people, we will not get it back!https://wilderness.maps.arcgis.com/a...4a0e80-layer-2

It doesn't matter your political persuasion, if you trout fish, this affects you. Up for sale is a large section of the east side of the kern river, including areas around the south fork and some of the last refuges for our native golden trout. Upper sections of Hot creek, large swaths of local national forest including local native rainbow trout habitat and blm land will put our recreational opportunities at risk.

What can you do? Call our senators and tell them to fight and vote no. Call Darrel Issa and tell him you don't want this. Join land conservation groups like the Teddy Roosevelt Conservation Partnership and donate so their lawyers can sue to stop it and lobby congress.

monstahfish · 06-19-2025, 01:35 PM

You can fold or you can fight. That's up to you. I'm just giving the info so those who want to can make some calls, send some emails, spread the word. From what I hear it's starting to spread and be effective as people all over the country and the political spectrum agree on this.

TheBentRod · 06-20-2025, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by monstahfish

You can fold or you can fight. That's up to you. I'm just giving the info so those who want to can make some calls, send some emails, spread the word. From what I hear it's starting to spread and be effective as people all over the country and the political spectrum agree on this.

What we need to know is:

WHO is going to buy the land? Why?
What is their connection to the politicians and cronies that even brought this up?
Who determined we need to sell the land? The land is "public" for a reason.

With this information, we don't need to fight. Just vote! And if someone voted for one of these politicians, then they just have to accept what they have done and do more due diligence when applying our powerful tool.

"VOTE"

This is not a political forum, so I will restrain myself further on this topic.

monstahfish · 06-20-2025, 12:24 PM

But the senate has not voted yet and are feeling the heat from all political persuaions. Who's going to buy it? Timber, mining, oil companies and rich guys who want to block off massive swaths of prime fishing and hunting land for themselves.

Yes, people voted without knowing this would happen, they should have known cause they tried this last time and we stopped it. It's their responsibility to speak out as much as those who voted against this. Thanks for helping me keep this at the top of the forum

Here's a link to voice your opposition... https://www.trcp.org/action-alert/ur...c&ceid=1752026

Pinhead · 06-25-2025, 02:48 PM

So disappointing. As a 35 year Hunter and 53 year Fisherman, I have seen too much publick access taken away....and all legally and covertly. After the 2003 and 2007 fires, pipe gates and fences appeared where they were not before, no publick comment allowed, blocking vehicle access on Cleveland National Forest Land. MLPA's were rammed down our throats with little regard to publick comment and twisted *science-data*, blocking fishing access permenantly.

Our Publick land and access should Never be sold to other countries and one would hope Trump will force the sale of the Publick & Private lands from the Chinese back to the US Government and opened back-up to US.

All this giant land-grab boils down to greed and once it is sold, we will never see it again.

Thanks for sending out that link.

Pinhead Out!

TheBentRod · Yesterday, 06:43 AM

Isn't the reason the public land sale came up is because Trump needs the money to pay for tax cuts for the rich?

Why would Trump force "China" to sell land back to US and where would we get the money to pay for it?

Using the link provided by Monstafish and drilling down, I see where there are already swaths of land carved out of the public lands. For who and why was these parcels of land already carved out? I say that because sale of public land has been going on for centuries already and this topic right now is being used as a distraction.

During the previous Trump administration, the restrictions to several fisheries were lifted. We were able to keep Yellow Eye rockfish and other previously restricted fish. Trump stated at the time there were other fisheries he was opening up for commercial fishing also.

I agree "science data" is definitely suspect. I do know the California coast fishery is healthy for the most part and evidenced by the fish I catch.

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Originally Posted by Pinhead

So disappointing. As a 35 year Hunter and 53 year Fisherman, I have seen too much publick access taken away....and all legally and covertly. After the 2003 and 2007 fires, pipe gates and fences appeared where they were not before, no publick comment allowed, blocking vehicle access on Cleveland National Forest Land. MLPA's were rammed down our throats with little regard to publick comment and twisted *science-data*, blocking fishing access permenantly.

Our Publick land and access should Never be sold to other countries and one would hope Trump will force the sale of the Publick & Private lands from the Chinese back to the US Government and opened back-up to US.

All this giant land-grab boils down to greed and once it is sold, we will never see it again.

Thanks for sending out that link.

Pinhead Out!

monstahfish · Yesterday, 07:25 AM

I was trying to keep this apolitical and really about fishing and hunting access because I know we can all agree on this, but yes, this is all in an effort to justify a tax cut that will lock in permanent tax cuts for the rich while the lower income bracket ones expire quickly and for the really poor their burdens go up because they'll likely lose medicaid and have to pay more for healthcare which they can't afford. Ideally, they would give an increased child tax credit, lower taxes on low income families and eliminate the tax cut for the rich. Even the guy who invented trickle down economics now admits it does not work. The non partisan congressional budget office says that unless we experience a massive boom in the economy which seems very unlikely at this point, the national debt even with selling $100 billion in land (which will go at less than $430 an acre BTW), taking millions off medicaid, cutting medicare and snap will still balloon the deficit $3-5 trillion.
For those who doubt what I'm saying and want to say oh another liberal spewing numbers, here's a wall street journal article written by one of the most right wing senators there is https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-ugly...iuCPHupA%3D%3D

Some of you voted against this some voted for it, it's all of our jobs to stop the government from doing bad things that don't benefit the American people. This is the first amendment in action. By the way, you want to get really mad? They're eliminating the roadless wilderness rule so when they sell of the land to millionaires and billionaires, they can build roads on the public dime into their private enclaves before they sell them and lock them off.

Pinhead · Yesterday, 09:51 AM

Why would Trump force "China" to sell land back to US and where would we get the money to pay for it?

China has strategically purchased land around/near US Military installations, which is potentially a National Security issue. In my opinion, this should have never been allowed to happen. Now, our government can be nice and pay china fair market value, yes, taking taxpayer money to do so, but what is the cost if we do not do it and China spies on US at these Military insallations ? Also, our government can just take the land back under Federal eminent domain laws, citing potential National Security risks, end of story. Overall, we need to protect our country Militarily and our citizens. In my opinion, China and other countries should not own US land, as most do not have our best interest at heart.

monstahfish · Yesterday, 07:39 PM

Fully agree on this one. They will definitely be buying and mining our land if this goes forward.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinhead

Why would Trump force "China" to sell land back to US and where would we get the money to pay for it?

China has strategically purchased land around/near US Military installations, which is potentially a National Security issue. In my opinion, this should have never been allowed to happen. Now, our government can be nice and pay china fair market value, yes, taking taxpayer money to do so, but what is the cost if we do not do it and China spies on US at these Military insallations ? Also, our government can just take the land back under Federal eminent domain laws, citing potential National Security risks, end of story. Overall, we need to protect our country Militarily and our citizens. In my opinion, China and other countries should not own US land, as most do not have our best interest at heart.

06-18-2025, 11:28 AM	#1
monstahfish Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 434	Public lands sale The budget reconciliation bill that is going through the senate has a lot of poison pills but the sale of public lands will affect us fishermen and hunters the most! Check out this map of all the areas that will be for sale to timber, mining and fossil fuel interests. Once this land is taken from the American people, we will not get it back!https://wilderness.maps.arcgis.com/a...4a0e80-layer-2 It doesn't matter your political persuasion, if you trout fish, this affects you. Up for sale is a large section of the east side of the kern river, including areas around the south fork and some of the last refuges for our native golden trout. Upper sections of Hot creek, large swaths of local national forest including local native rainbow trout habitat and blm land will put our recreational opportunities at risk. What can you do? Call our senators and tell them to fight and vote no. Call Darrel Issa and tell him you don't want this. Join land conservation groups like the Teddy Roosevelt Conservation Partnership and donate so their lawyers can sue to stop it and lobby congress.

06-19-2025, 01:35 PM	#3
monstahfish Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 434	You can fold or you can fight. That's up to you. I'm just giving the info so those who want to can make some calls, send some emails, spread the word. From what I hear it's starting to spread and be effective as people all over the country and the political spectrum agree on this.

06-20-2025, 12:24 PM	#5
monstahfish Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 434	But the senate has not voted yet and are feeling the heat from all political persuaions. Who's going to buy it? Timber, mining, oil companies and rich guys who want to block off massive swaths of prime fishing and hunting land for themselves. Yes, people voted without knowing this would happen, they should have known cause they tried this last time and we stopped it. It's their responsibility to speak out as much as those who voted against this. Thanks for helping me keep this at the top of the forum Here's a link to voice your opposition... https://www.trcp.org/action-alert/ur...c&ceid=1752026

06-25-2025, 02:48 PM	#6
Pinhead We all Stink Sometimes! Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: San Diego Posts: 179	So disappointing. As a 35 year Hunter and 53 year Fisherman, I have seen too much publick access taken away....and all legally and covertly. After the 2003 and 2007 fires, pipe gates and fences appeared where they were not before, no publick comment allowed, blocking vehicle access on Cleveland National Forest Land. MLPA's were rammed down our throats with little regard to publick comment and twisted science-data, blocking fishing access permenantly. Our Publick land and access should Never be sold to other countries and one would hope Trump will force the sale of the Publick & Private lands from the Chinese back to the US Government and opened back-up to US. All this giant land-grab boils down to greed and once it is sold, we will never see it again. Thanks for sending out that link. Pinhead Out!

Yesterday, 07:25 AM	#8
monstahfish Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 434	I was trying to keep this apolitical and really about fishing and hunting access because I know we can all agree on this, but yes, this is all in an effort to justify a tax cut that will lock in permanent tax cuts for the rich while the lower income bracket ones expire quickly and for the really poor their burdens go up because they'll likely lose medicaid and have to pay more for healthcare which they can't afford. Ideally, they would give an increased child tax credit, lower taxes on low income families and eliminate the tax cut for the rich. Even the guy who invented trickle down economics now admits it does not work. The non partisan congressional budget office says that unless we experience a massive boom in the economy which seems very unlikely at this point, the national debt even with selling $100 billion in land (which will go at less than $430 an acre BTW), taking millions off medicaid, cutting medicare and snap will still balloon the deficit $3-5 trillion. For those who doubt what I'm saying and want to say oh another liberal spewing numbers, here's a wall street journal article written by one of the most right wing senators there is https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-ugly...iuCPHupA%3D%3D Some of you voted against this some voted for it, it's all of our jobs to stop the government from doing bad things that don't benefit the American people. This is the first amendment in action. By the way, you want to get really mad? They're eliminating the roadless wilderness rule so when they sell of the land to millionaires and billionaires, they can build roads on the public dime into their private enclaves before they sell them and lock them off.

Yesterday, 09:51 AM	#9
Pinhead We all Stink Sometimes! Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: San Diego Posts: 179	Why would Trump force "China" to sell land back to US and where would we get the money to pay for it? China has strategically purchased land around/near US Military installations, which is potentially a National Security issue. In my opinion, this should have never been allowed to happen. Now, our government can be nice and pay china fair market value, yes, taking taxpayer money to do so, but what is the cost if we do not do it and China spies on US at these Military insallations ? Also, our government can just take the land back under Federal eminent domain laws, citing potential National Security risks, end of story. Overall, we need to protect our country Militarily and our citizens. In my opinion, China and other countries should not own US land, as most do not have our best interest at heart.