Gearing up for October's must-attend MLPA meeting - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

bellcon · 09-11-2009, 02:46 PM

Thanks Pal
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and your views or take on PV?

Is the group 1 map a pipe dream?
Does group 2 have any chance of making it more kayak friendly?

Teranea would be a tragity to lose

PAL · 09-11-2009, 02:54 PM

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Thanks Pal
....
and your views or take on PV?

Is the group 1 map a pipe dream?
Does group 2 have any chance of making it more kayak friendly?

Teranea would be a tragity to lose

Please check the other site. Big brother is watching.

tylerdurden · 09-11-2009, 03:04 PM

I feel sick. Misguided at best, sinister at worst. Group 3 made the area north of the reserve open to bait fishing only as a concession to kayakers, then made it dip net only

. Are they so out of touch they don't realize no one uses a dipnet to catch bait, or did they think we wouldn't notice and would support them.

I really wish I would have noticed earlier and commented on the dipnet thing at public comment. When they presented the map the night before they singled out kayakers as the reason for allowing bait catching in the zone, but never specified how. I should have known. I am pissed the hell off at them.

PAL · 09-11-2009, 03:10 PM

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I feel sick. Misguided at best, sinister at worst. Group 3 made the area north of the reserve open to bait fishing only as a concession to kayakers, then made it dip net only

. Are they so out of touch they don't realize no one uses a dipnet to catch bait, or did they think we wouldn't notice and we support them.

Well, until the final maps are published, we won't know for certain. That's what they said last night. I think they really don't know any better. Make what you will of that. They certainly didn't ask for my input; I would have been happy to square them away. This is something we can address at the BRTF meeting if it comes to that, although I suggest we focus elsewhere.

Billy V · 09-11-2009, 07:14 PM

They Certainly Knew What They Were Doing.
Omission is a Lie in the eyes of the law.

They tried to throw a fastball past us!
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They are Not to be trusted.

Dan · 09-11-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PAL

Well, until the final maps are published, we won't know for certain. That's what they said last night. I think they really don't know any better. Make what you will of that. They certainly didn't ask for my input; I would have been happy to square them away. This is something we can address at the BRTF meeting if it comes to that, although I suggest we focus elsewhere.

I was a bit startled by the lack of focus, or knowledge of both WG3 RSG members that I spoke to while the maps were projected...they were really confused by my questions and couldn't answer them. The gentleman representing the local Native American tribes was baffled by my simple questions about what is allowed in this or that reserve, where the borders lie etc. The other guy kept pointing to Solana Beach and calling it Moonlight beach....aaaghh!!! I had to completely school him on what was what. ssooooo frustrating.

....totally no skin in the game which is unfortunate because I'm sure he shrugged and went along with whatever he was fed, much like that college kid who I watched get dressed with a blue 'mpa's work' shirt in the lobby by the girl who dragged him along. He could barely articulate his points, and talking with him after he got "dressed", he said that he was concerned about Point Dooned?!

I have much more respect for informed opposition than dribbling placeholders. We had a few on our side too that I just wanted to muzzle as well....but anyone speaking with passion and clarity really impressed me. BillyV nailed it, Djax did GREAT, Tyler killed, Kurt was spot on!, pescador Pete was the lone north county voice, and the gent trying to get the line moved in Catalina so the boy scouts could fish of the pier at their camp almost made me cry.

Is it over yet?!!? ugg.

PAL · 09-14-2009, 10:36 AM

Bump! You have weeks to prepare for this showdown. Please turn for the Oct 20-22 meeting, its crucial to our fishing future.

PAL · 09-15-2009, 05:12 PM

I spoke with one of the Workgroup 3 RSG representatives today about the Scripps Pier SMCA. He said their intent was to allow kayak bait only; he was unaware the group's selected method of take (dip net) did not achieve their objective.

He will take up the matter with his group during their ongoing Quality Control process and attempt to change the take to pacific and jack mackerel, sardines, squid and anchovy by hook and line and dip net. We'll know whether he was successful when the round 3 final proposals are released in a week or so.

09-11-2009, 03:04 PM	#3
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	I feel sick. Misguided at best, sinister at worst. Group 3 made the area north of the reserve open to bait fishing only as a concession to kayakers, then made it dip net only . Are they so out of touch they don't realize no one uses a dipnet to catch bait, or did they think we wouldn't notice and would support them. I really wish I would have noticed earlier and commented on the dipnet thing at public comment. When they presented the map the night before they singled out kayakers as the reason for allowing bait catching in the zone, but never specified how. I should have known. I am pissed the hell off at them. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

09-11-2009, 02:46 PM	#1
bellcon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: San Pedro Posts: 999	Thanks Pal .... and your views or take on PV? Is the group 1 map a pipe dream? Does group 2 have any chance of making it more kayak friendly? Teranea would be a tragity to lose

09-11-2009, 07:14 PM	#5
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	They Certainly Knew What They Were Doing. Omission is a Lie in the eyes of the law. They tried to throw a fastball past us! --------------------------------- They are Not to be trusted.

09-14-2009, 10:36 AM	#7
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	Bump! You have weeks to prepare for this showdown. Please turn for the Oct 20-22 meeting, its crucial to our fishing future.

09-15-2009, 05:12 PM	#8
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	I spoke with one of the Workgroup 3 RSG representatives today about the Scripps Pier SMCA. He said their intent was to allow kayak bait only; he was unaware the group's selected method of take (dip net) did not achieve their objective. He will take up the matter with his group during their ongoing Quality Control process and attempt to change the take to pacific and jack mackerel, sardines, squid and anchovy by hook and line and dip net. We'll know whether he was successful when the round 3 final proposals are released in a week or so.