Black Seabass - be ready to sucessfully release one - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

WahooUSMA · 01-20-2010, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Gino

there wasnt anythign they could have goten him on. becuase the video wouldnt hold up in court. He did release the fish aparently, they would have had to have full proof that the fish died. some peopel said it did, but cant confirm it legally.

the newport beach police were involved as well as the DFG. if they wanted to get him im sure they could have. Lots of complaints.

When they interviewed the angler he apeard to play dumb. I will say that, im sure he knew what he was doing, He was informed it was a protected fish and continued to "go on with his buisness" The boat owner should have gotten the shaft to, but they didnt have anythign to convict him on either. Sad.

I wa shoping they would cite those guys to set an example to everyone that what they did was wrong and that even if DFG arent watching law abiding angler are.

That pier is crowded regularly, they should have had DFg monitoring it more frequently. It could have stopped that.

Ignorance is not a defense.....

Gino · 01-20-2010, 01:27 PM

Yeah, i agree, it is worth all the money theyd spend against a lawsuit.

This was one fo those guys you have to make an example of, becuase it caught so much attention. but they didnt, so not it sends the wrong message.

x 10 to that guy...

WahooUSMA · 01-20-2010, 02:19 PM

They made an example out of the guys who killed the seal....Last I heard DFG served a warrant (hi-risk style) and kicked his door in.

Gino · 01-20-2010, 02:24 PM

Ya well aparently seals are more important than the BSB.

dsafety · 01-20-2010, 02:31 PM

According to a recent letter from the F & G commission, (See Holy Mackerel's post today), the F & G currently has about 200 wardens in the field throughout California... the entire state of California. This is not enough staff to completely cover San Diego County, let alone the whole state. Given this fact, we should not expect that someone from this agency will typically be handy to enforce the regulations when something like this happens.

The problem here is ignorance. I am certain that someone on that pier must have know that BSB are protected. They should have jumped in and explained things to those who did not know better. Why that did not happen mystifies me.

Bob

nunyabizness1 · 01-20-2010, 05:18 PM

I was sick to my stomach watching this video and then seeing the guy pose with the BSB towards the end. His ego was more important than savng this fish! I did hear people in the video claim that it was a BSB. No one seemed to be worried about it. The DFG should have cited this guy bigtime! Yes it's true, the seals are more protected than a protected fish species. I don't understand the DFG's stance on this.

Duke · 01-20-2010, 05:56 PM

I'm not familiar with BSB regulations, but it'd be wise for regulations to prohibit the removal of such a large, protected fish out of the water, even for release.

That's the regulations for goliath grouper in Florida. You're not supposed the remove the fish from the water. If a conservation officer catches you posing with a goliath, even a juvenile one, out of the water for hook removal or pictures, you'll get fined.

Back to the video, it sickens me to see that poor fish lip gaffed and dragged like that, with all those tourists harping away. Ignorance is not an excuse. Someone should have jumped in and straightened that angler out!

T Bone · 01-20-2010, 06:29 PM

It looked like it swallowed his pier gaff while gasping due to decompression.all he had to do was cut his line short as possible.Since the fish was caught off the pier the BSB couldnt have decompresed much.It probably would have been fine.

GregAndrew · 01-20-2010, 07:58 PM

First I have seen of a couple of those videos. The one from the pier shows how he kept the fishes head out of the water when it obviously still had life. And how the hell would pulling it up onto the pier help to return it safely to the water? If there was no law broken by this idiot then shame on the DFG.

As far as deflating the swim bladder goes, remember that the bloated sack in the mouth of a fish is NOT the swim bladder but the stomach lining being forced out by the bladder. Don't pop it!!

MalibuJohnny · 01-21-2010, 08:00 AM

It is really too bad to see this fish taken the way it was, but was this group of people really at fault? Maybe the blame should go with the boater…they could of easily, cut the fish free. I am sure that the boater knew what type of fish he was enabling the pier fisherman to claim. (Hero in every one of us)

Unfortunately things happen…I can’t remember the last time I heard or read about someone hooking a monster like that on a pier. Is this a good sign? Possibly that, this type Stereolepis gigas (Black Sea Bass) may be on its way back from the brink of extinction…How many of us have seen the mishandling of the same type of fish on this and other sites?

Where were the DFG? Life Guards? Where did the fish end up? I hope it didn’t go to waste!

01-20-2010, 02:19 PM	#3
WahooUSMA Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Rancho Cucamonga Posts: 753	They made an example out of the guys who killed the seal....Last I heard DFG served a warrant (hi-risk style) and kicked his door in. __________________ GO ARMY BEAT NAVY! Bad decisions make great stories!

01-20-2010, 06:29 PM	#8
T Bone Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Redlands CA Posts: 871	It looked like it swallowed his pier gaff while gasping due to decompression.all he had to do was cut his line short as possible.Since the fish was caught off the pier the BSB couldnt have decompresed much.It probably would have been fine. __________________ Barachit Baralah,Elohim-In the beginning,God-Genesis 1:1 "Who among you,if your son asked for a fish would give them a serpent " Jesus Matt. 7:10

01-21-2010, 08:00 AM	#10
MalibuJohnny Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Lahina (I Wish) Posts: 272	BSB It is really too bad to see this fish taken the way it was, but was this group of people really at fault? Maybe the blame should go with the boater…they could of easily, cut the fish free. I am sure that the boater knew what type of fish he was enabling the pier fisherman to claim. (Hero in every one of us) Unfortunately things happen…I can’t remember the last time I heard or read about someone hooking a monster like that on a pier. Is this a good sign? Possibly that, this type *Stereolepis gigas (Black Sea Bass) may be on its way back from the brink of extinction…How many of us have seen the mishandling of the same type of fish on this and other sites?* *Where were the DFG? Life Guards? Where did the fish end up? I hope it didn’t go to waste!* __________________ Malibu Johnny must catch fish

01-20-2010, 01:27 PM	#2
Gino Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 520	Yeah, i agree, it is worth all the money theyd spend against a lawsuit. This was one fo those guys you have to make an example of, becuase it caught so much attention. but they didnt, so not it sends the wrong message. x 10 to that guy...

01-20-2010, 02:24 PM	#4
Gino Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 520	Ya well aparently seals are more important than the BSB.

01-20-2010, 02:31 PM	#5
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,123	According to a recent letter from the F & G commission, (See Holy Mackerel's post today), the F & G currently has about 200 wardens in the field throughout California... the entire state of California. This is not enough staff to completely cover San Diego County, let alone the whole state. Given this fact, we should not expect that someone from this agency will typically be handy to enforce the regulations when something like this happens. The problem here is ignorance. I am certain that someone on that pier must have know that BSB are protected. They should have jumped in and explained things to those who did not know better. Why that did not happen mystifies me. Bob

01-20-2010, 05:18 PM	#6
nunyabizness1 Maggie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Nunya Posts: 126	I was sick to my stomach watching this video and then seeing the guy pose with the BSB towards the end. His ego was more important than savng this fish! I did hear people in the video claim that it was a BSB. No one seemed to be worried about it. The DFG should have cited this guy bigtime! Yes it's true, the seals are more protected than a protected fish species. I don't understand the DFG's stance on this.

01-20-2010, 05:56 PM	#7
Duke Junior Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 22	I'm not familiar with BSB regulations, but it'd be wise for regulations to prohibit the removal of such a large, protected fish out of the water, even for release. That's the regulations for goliath grouper in Florida. You're not supposed the remove the fish from the water. If a conservation officer catches you posing with a goliath, even a juvenile one, out of the water for hook removal or pictures, you'll get fined. Back to the video, it sickens me to see that poor fish lip gaffed and dragged like that, with all those tourists harping away. Ignorance is not an excuse. Someone should have jumped in and straightened that angler out!

01-20-2010, 07:58 PM	#9
GregAndrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,384	First I have seen of a couple of those videos. The one from the pier shows how he kept the fishes head out of the water when it obviously still had life. And how the hell would pulling it up onto the pier help to return it safely to the water? If there was no law broken by this idiot then shame on the DFG. As far as deflating the swim bladder goes, remember that the bloated sack in the mouth of a fish is NOT the swim bladder but the stomach lining being forced out by the bladder. Don't pop it!!