Penn 500 Conversion - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

PescadorPete · 02-21-2010, 09:35 PM

That guy probably has $200 in upgrades in a $60 reel. If you really want a narrow 501, the Penn kit is $65. My favorite narrow 501 is a Progear 255.

I have several out of date reels I have upgraded. They are still fun to drive.

I once had a Sealine 50 but it is too wide when winding jigs, it is out of balance and wobbles and doesn't have enought torque on a big fish. I bought the 40HA (4.9:1) and have landed lots of iron and bait fish with it.

Fiskadoro · 02-21-2010, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PescadorPete

That guy probably has $200 in upgrades in a $60 reel. If you really want a narrow 501, the Penn kit is $65.

Or better yet $200 in parts in a reel that sold on ebay for $100.

The tib-lite handle alone is forty bucks.

I mean if you want to go the nostalgic route it's OK but for the buck your better off buying a narrow Saltist 30T, if your fishing spectra. You'll be amazed at the torque and power of that reel.

I grew up using Penns and bought my first jigmaster in 1974, that said they are way behind these newer reels in performance even when upgraded. I still fish Penn 525mags for casting Iron, Penn slammers for spinning, and internationals offshore, but in that size of conventional reel you can't beat the saltists.

Jim

fishes · 02-22-2010, 07:05 AM

Looks like the conversion might not be the right choice, I gather. Also the Sealine-X 40HA 4.9:1 is the reel I should have gone with instead of the 50SHA 6:1.

I'll try and return the Sealine and get the better fitted one as well as leave the Jigmaster as-is and use the upgrade cash on something else.

Thanks all!

taggermike · 02-22-2010, 07:12 AM

Like tbone said, the convertions are obsolete these days and not really that help full. When they first came out there were much fewer reel options so turning your old Penn in to some sort of frankenstien was one of the best options. There are so many great reel options now that having a heavy old reel on your rod and a bag of old parts in the garage at around the same price is not needed. The converted reels work well enough and look pretty cool, to me at least, so if you want one or want to do the work your self then go for it. I own a converted "yellow tail special" that I like well enough and still get use out of. It's a nasty old Frankenstien with maroon Penn side plates, red tiburon frame, and an ice blue accurate handle. I have to think that it is a one of a kind. Mike

MarkT · 02-22-2010, 07:34 AM

You don't have to go all in. You can incrementally upgrade as you have money/interest/time. A set of Newell bars/seat or a Tiburon/Accurate frame plus a 501 spool will convert the 500 to a 501. Handle upgrade and the rest are just personal preference. For bait, bass and cuda just stick with the 4:1 gears. The 5:1 gears are weaker (smaller teeth on the gears) than the stock 4:1's. If you go with the 5:1 gears you do want to go with the Smoothie stainless yoke... the stainless gears chew up the stock brass yoke. If you really want a 5:1 reel you'd be better served by getting a reel designed for faster speed with stronger drags.

I have a YTS that started life as an old 113H with maroon sideplates. It now has a matching maroon Tiburon topless frame, Tiburon spool, abec-5 bearings, HT-100 drag washers (including one under the main gear), Newell 4:1 gears with a Smoothie stainless yoke and a ProGear power handle. It's much cooler than anything I can just walk into a tackle store and buy off the rack. Starting again now I'd just get a Penn 113HN Baja Special... it's technically superior even though it doesn't look as cool.

-scallywag- · 02-22-2010, 11:27 AM

I agree, ditch the 500's, calling them frankestiens is a little misleading, i think dinosaur is more appropriate...although your urge to disassemble and modify reels is a good one stick with the more modern, cheap reels like the sealine's, shimano's or penn 535/545's..you can get them used for super cheap on ebay, then replace the bearings and re-grease or upgrade the drags to carbontex. Then you have a reel that will put down 12-15lbs of drag for around 120 bucks AND you will be able to service it in an hr or two instead of waiting 2weeks.

As for the sealine 50 hi speed, no worries, that is a bad ass reel for heavy irons, just fill the spool up 3/4 of the way (effectively lowering the gear ratio) with your fav #40 mono and match it to a similarly rated rod....some guys don't like the hi speed cause they really like to grind irons and the 6:1 tend to spin most jiggs....i like the 6:1's, because once you get the cadence down its a lot less work (on any given winter day I may drop the iron 100-200times in 120-220ft of water). Those that say you need lower gears to reel in a 30lb YT, should probably be fishing in the bay

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I do like the lower ratio, lever drag reels for live bait..TLD15 with #65 spectra is my favorite (that i can afford).

whitedog · 02-22-2010, 12:50 PM

You might as well throw all that penn crap in the trash! just pm me the time and place?

p.s lj is full of skunks

-scallywag- · 02-22-2010, 03:05 PM

whitedog,
I got some 500's with newell goodies that you can have...just kidding, I wouldn't do that to a friend!!!

And who you call'in a skunk?!?!?!?!?

02-22-2010, 07:05 AM	#3
fishes Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 89	Looks like the conversion might not be the right choice, I gather. Also the Sealine-X 40HA 4.9:1 is the reel I should have gone with instead of the 50SHA 6:1. I'll try and return the Sealine and get the better fitted one as well as leave the Jigmaster as-is and use the upgrade cash on something else. Thanks all! __________________ <' )))><es

02-22-2010, 12:50 PM	#7
whitedog Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 42	use what ya got! You might as well throw all that penn crap in the trash! just pm me the time and place? p.s lj is full of skunks

02-22-2010, 03:05 PM	#8
-scallywag- Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: on the road... Posts: 598	whitedog, I got some 500's with newell goodies that you can have...just kidding, I wouldn't do that to a friend!!! And who you call'in a skunk?!?!?!?!? Last edited by -scallywag-; 02-22-2010 at 04:35 PM. Reason: skunks

02-21-2010, 09:35 PM	#1
PescadorPete Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leucadia, CA Posts: 261	That guy probably has $200 in upgrades in a $60 reel. If you really want a narrow 501, the Penn kit is $65. My favorite narrow 501 is a Progear 255. I have several out of date reels I have upgraded. They are still fun to drive. I once had a Sealine 50 but it is too wide when winding jigs, it is out of balance and wobbles and doesn't have enought torque on a big fish. I bought the 40HA (4.9:1) and have landed lots of iron and bait fish with it.

02-22-2010, 07:12 AM	#4
taggermike Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chula Vista Posts: 1,589	Like tbone said, the convertions are obsolete these days and not really that help full. When they first came out there were much fewer reel options so turning your old Penn in to some sort of frankenstien was one of the best options. There are so many great reel options now that having a heavy old reel on your rod and a bag of old parts in the garage at around the same price is not needed. The converted reels work well enough and look pretty cool, to me at least, so if you want one or want to do the work your self then go for it. I own a converted "yellow tail special" that I like well enough and still get use out of. It's a nasty old Frankenstien with maroon Penn side plates, red tiburon frame, and an ice blue accurate handle. I have to think that it is a one of a kind. Mike

02-22-2010, 07:34 AM	#5
MarkT Deep Release Specialist Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Mission Viejo Posts: 94	You don't have to go all in. You can incrementally upgrade as you have money/interest/time. A set of Newell bars/seat or a Tiburon/Accurate frame plus a 501 spool will convert the 500 to a 501. Handle upgrade and the rest are just personal preference. For bait, bass and cuda just stick with the 4:1 gears. The 5:1 gears are weaker (smaller teeth on the gears) than the stock 4:1's. If you go with the 5:1 gears you do want to go with the Smoothie stainless yoke... the stainless gears chew up the stock brass yoke. If you really want a 5:1 reel you'd be better served by getting a reel designed for faster speed with stronger drags. I have a YTS that started life as an old 113H with maroon sideplates. It now has a matching maroon Tiburon topless frame, Tiburon spool, abec-5 bearings, HT-100 drag washers (including one under the main gear), Newell 4:1 gears with a Smoothie stainless yoke and a ProGear power handle. It's much cooler than anything I can just walk into a tackle store and buy off the rack. Starting again now I'd just get a Penn 113HN Baja Special... it's technically superior even though it doesn't look as cool.

02-22-2010, 11:27 AM	#6
-scallywag- Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: on the road... Posts: 598	I agree, ditch the 500's, calling them frankestiens is a little misleading, i think dinosaur is more appropriate...although your urge to disassemble and modify reels is a good one stick with the more modern, cheap reels like the sealine's, shimano's or penn 535/545's..you can get them used for super cheap on ebay, then replace the bearings and re-grease or upgrade the drags to carbontex. Then you have a reel that will put down 12-15lbs of drag for around 120 bucks AND you will be able to service it in an hr or two instead of waiting 2weeks. As for the sealine 50 hi speed, no worries, that is a bad ass reel for heavy irons, just fill the spool up 3/4 of the way (effectively lowering the gear ratio) with your fav #40 mono and match it to a similarly rated rod....some guys don't like the hi speed cause they really like to grind irons and the 6:1 tend to spin most jiggs....i like the 6:1's, because once you get the cadence down its a lot less work (on any given winter day I may drop the iron 100-200times in 120-220ft of water). Those that say you need lower gears to reel in a 30lb YT, should probably be fishing in the bay . I do like the lower ratio, lever drag reels for live bait..TLD15 with #65 spectra is my favorite (that i can afford).