settings for hbird 718/728 - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

07-23-2010, 10:25 PM

Ikrash,

You asked for it, so here goes:

Turbidity is defined to be
--not clear or transparent because of stirred-up sediment or the like; clouded; opaque; obscured: the turbid waters near the waterfall.

That definition is found in any English Dictionary. I thought I was helping
you with Fishing, not English.

So you believe that if you can see a jig at 150', you therefore can
see a fish too. A jig, my friend, shows up, even with an under powered FF like the 718, as a small cluster of dots, just like small macks do. But when
a big fish shows up under that piss poor 718, it will look like a cluster of jigs or a cluster of small macks. Then it will be up to you to figure out what's under your kayak. And while you're doing that, another opportunity will pass you by...

By the way, why do you need to see arcs in your FF anyway? According to your pm to me, "seeing fish isn't key" but rather trolling
a mack 100 yards behind you is. So what would you do if you could see arcs on your FF while you're trolling a mack a 100 yards behind you. Ask the arcs to stay put while you reel in your 100 yards of line so you could finally present your bait to the arcs? Do you know why experienced kayakfishermen carry knives? To cut off thoughtless fisherman who troll their lines too far back. Trolling a live mack is the only way to catch fish? Funny, this year alone, I've seen over 100 yellowtail and WSB caught by people not trolling a thing.

And just one more thing about your last pm to me. You mentioned that although you're sort of a newbie, you've caught more fish in one month than most La Jolla Kayakfishermen catch in a year.

I enjoy helping newbies out. Even when I have to go over the same stuff multiple times. It just the arrogant ones I try to avoid.

ikrash · 07-24-2010, 01:18 AM

???

didn't state how many fish i have caught, nor did i allude to being in ANY way a master fisherman...i would say that is a bad interpretation of a pm asking for suggestions on settings for a ff

i understood your opinion on getting a 728 and also stated that i was genuinely thankful for such a speedy response (check your pm)..but no need to state over and over again that the 718 is trash...i apologize..not everybody's got cushy jobs (btw...you spoke of arrogance?)

...if you dont wanna share your settings..thats okey dokey...just say that they are private...

"finally" :

what would the logic be to upgrade my ff if i didnt think that seeing the fish was key? dont quote my words out of context as well as with the wrong intention...this isn't a war....i asked your opinion...appreciated it...and asked for your settings...responses that lack an answer to the question as well as insult are going to be met with "arrogance"

i DO NOT know as much as you do (as previously stated), but my opinion is that logically, you are incorrect.....i VERY WELL may be wrong (as previously stated), but i would like the best chance of seeing these fish, and (as previously stated) if i cannot i WILL upgrade to the 728 (your suggestion)

so just chill...it'll all be allright
what difference does it make

its not like there's fish in la jolla anyways....right?

ikrash · 07-24-2010, 01:31 AM

also...

and this is just a question...so relax

wouldn't turbidity affect all units, regardless of power?

wouldn't it be the frequency that would allow you to see through the mess of salt/red tide/etc?

as well as...(again a question...again relax)

why would a fish appear as a grip of jigs when (i think) the beam reflected is off the top portion of the fish(?)..unless there was a lack of accuracy in the receiving portion of the transducer?

btw...i only troll (+-) 100 yards when im pretty much alone in the deep...so feel free to cut my lines if i cross you...i always feel like i need to get rid of 50 yards or so every so often (keeps it fresh...ya know?)

smile...it's sunny tomorrow...it'll all be alright

deepdvr · 07-24-2010, 06:35 PM

just quit while you're ahead dude

ikrash · 07-24-2010, 07:01 PM

already did....difference in opinions i think...hope no hard feelings

wishing the best fishing to all of you

GregAndrew · 07-25-2010, 02:51 PM

I am a novice at FF myself, but it seems to me that you are trying to compare apples to oranges. The return from a hard iron should be far stronger (darker) than the return from a soft fleshy bodied creature shouldn't it? Especially one like a WSB that has an unusually large (air filled) swim bladder.

Aaron · 07-25-2010, 04:16 PM

07-23-2010, 10:25 PM	#1
yani Guest Posts: n/a	What Language Should I Use So You Can Understand? Ikrash, You asked for it, so here goes: Turbidity is defined to be --not clear or transparent because of stirred-up sediment or the like; clouded; opaque; obscured: the turbid waters near the waterfall. That definition is found in any English Dictionary. I thought I was helping you with Fishing, not English. So you believe that if you can see a jig at 150', you therefore can see a fish too. A jig, my friend, shows up, even with an under powered FF like the 718, as a small cluster of dots, just like small macks do. But when a big fish shows up under that piss poor 718, it will look like a cluster of jigs or a cluster of small macks. Then it will be up to you to figure out what's under your kayak. And while you're doing that, another opportunity will pass you by... By the way, why do you need to see arcs in your FF anyway? According to your pm to me, "seeing fish isn't key" but rather trolling a mack 100 yards behind you is. So what would you do if you could see arcs on your FF while you're trolling a mack a 100 yards behind you. Ask the arcs to stay put while you reel in your 100 yards of line so you could finally present your bait to the arcs? Do you know why experienced kayakfishermen carry knives? To cut off thoughtless fisherman who troll their lines too far back. Trolling a live mack is the only way to catch fish? Funny, this year alone, I've seen over 100 yellowtail and WSB caught by people not trolling a thing. And just one more thing about your last pm to me. You mentioned that although you're sort of a newbie, you've caught more fish in one month than most La Jolla Kayakfishermen catch in a year. I enjoy helping newbies out. Even when I have to go over the same stuff multiple times. It just the arrogant ones I try to avoid.

07-24-2010, 01:18 AM	#2
ikrash Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 40	??? didn't state how many fish i have caught, nor did i allude to being in ANY way a master fisherman...i would say that is a bad interpretation of a pm asking for suggestions on settings for a ff i understood your opinion on getting a 728 and also stated that i was genuinely thankful for such a speedy response (check your pm)..but no need to state over and over again that the 718 is trash...i apologize..not everybody's got cushy jobs (btw...you spoke of arrogance?) ...if you dont wanna share your settings..thats okey dokey...just say that they are private... "finally" : what would the logic be to upgrade my ff if i didnt think that seeing the fish was key? dont quote my words out of context as well as with the wrong intention...this isn't a war....i asked your opinion...appreciated it...and asked for your settings...responses that lack an answer to the question as well as insult are going to be met with "arrogance" i DO NOT know as much as you do (as previously stated), but my opinion is that logically, you are incorrect.....i VERY WELL may be wrong (as previously stated), but i would like the best chance of seeing these fish, and (as previously stated) if i cannot i WILL upgrade to the 728 (your suggestion) so just chill...it'll all be allright what difference does it make its not like there's fish in la jolla anyways....right?

07-24-2010, 01:31 AM	#3
ikrash Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 40	also... and this is just a question...so relax wouldn't turbidity affect all units, regardless of power? wouldn't it be the frequency that would allow you to see through the mess of salt/red tide/etc? as well as...(again a question...again relax) why would a fish appear as a grip of jigs when (i think) the beam reflected is off the top portion of the fish(?)..unless there was a lack of accuracy in the receiving portion of the transducer? btw...i only troll (+-) 100 yards when im pretty much alone in the deep...so feel free to cut my lines if i cross you...i always feel like i need to get rid of 50 yards or so every so often (keeps it fresh...ya know?) smile...it's sunny tomorrow...it'll all be alright

07-24-2010, 06:35 PM	#4
deepdvr Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Carlsbad Posts: 591	just quit while you're ahead dude

07-24-2010, 07:01 PM	#5
ikrash Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 40	already did....difference in opinions i think...hope no hard feelings wishing the best fishing to all of you

07-25-2010, 02:51 PM	#6
GregAndrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,384	I am a novice at FF myself, but it seems to me that you are trying to compare apples to oranges. The return from a hard iron should be far stronger (darker) than the return from a soft fleshy bodied creature shouldn't it? Especially one like a WSB that has an unusually large (air filled) swim bladder.

07-25-2010, 04:16 PM	#7
Aaron Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 175