MLPA Public Comment! - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

fryguy · 10-07-2010, 06:32 PM

Warning - this will piss you off.

I don't mix work and play, but I love fishing, and this kills me. I have my own feelings about the MLPA, but this effort by the Coastkeeper is just plain dirty.

Just to give you an idea of the effort by Coastkeeper - they are going all in, and are intentionally recruiting uninformed people to sabotage the meeting. Here is a message that I recently recieved in my email. I've taken the liberty of omitting any identity information, so please don't ask me any questions about that.

Dear Teachers,
For those of you that do not know me, my name is *****. I am a senior This year I am **** Club Co-President along with ******.
As some of you may know, if you were approached by members of the *** Club, we were asked, by California Coast Keeper, to participate in a hearing about increasing the amount of marine reserves in the San Diego area. We are currently working on a short documentary, in support of developing these reserves, to present at the hearing. Additionally, *** Club was asked to spread the word about attending the hearing to the **** community.
The hearing will be on October 20th at the Sheritan Hotel on Arrow Rd. just off the 8. Coast Keeper has graciously offered to provide transportation, lunch and t-shirts for students and teachers who attend. Pick up would be around 9AM and hearing goes until 12PM. This is a great way to help protect our oceans from over fishing through showing our support for the new reserves.
**** Club, along with ***** will be attending the hearing and the more people who attend, the better. We are trying to get an accurate count of who will be attending this hearing by Thursday October 7th. If you would like to have your whole class attend the hearing that would be wonderful and the extra chaperons would be appreciated. Additionally, if you would like, students from **** Club can present to your class on the issue, allowing students to decide for themselves if they would like to attend, sending only a small percentage of your class. If you would not like your students to attend, it is understandable. If you have students that are planning to attend please have them find me or ***** for permission slips. Thank you for your time! If you have any questions, feel free to email me at *** or find me in school.

This drives me nuts. Trying to manipulate and use uninformed students for someone else's personal agenda is just plain wrong. I have a unique opportunity to address this issue head on, and any information that you can give, such as REAL evidence or reasons why not to support the MLPA, that I can present to my students would be a great help for our interests. Hell, I'm thinking about starting the KEEP SD FISHING club. Also, now that you know this is coming, it will be our fault for not being prepared. We should expect this at the meeting and prepare for it.

Dirty, dirty bastards.

Tman · 10-07-2010, 06:48 PM

Wow...thanks for posting that. This is the little games the enviros are playing, please print that and bring it to the meeting.

At one of the meetings, kids were bused in, spent their whole time texting, chatting, but when someone (and we all know who he is), offered those same kids FREE 1/2 DAY FISHING TRIPS, the hands shot up in the air.

These people are going to pull out all the stops. They have done it before and they will do it again.

When we wore black shirts so they knew who we were and what we stood for, we were accused of intimidation.

When they handed out blue shirts, with sayings like, 'MLPA's work', it was okay, even though there were no MLPA's in place.

They will do whatever they can.

If they try that at my sons' school, they would be up for a major battle...

FISHIONADO · 10-07-2010, 06:53 PM

Thanks Fryguy, we need all the folks we can get to attend early to get the chairs up front. I attended one of the BTRF meetings in Long Beach (or Anaheim?) and during my public comments I called it disingenuous that the pro-closure groups had recruited all the high school students clogging the room and hallways. Looks like it will happen again.

fryguy · 10-07-2010, 07:09 PM

oh yeah, can you guys add me to the list.

I'll be there, and I'll have some words for any of my former students that I see there, too.

Grego · 10-07-2010, 09:03 PM

Chris, add the following to your list. Looks like most of the LA guys are sitting on the fence this time, maybe with the confirmed time a few more will commit.

Tattuna
Paintnfish
Kelpangler
Aquatic Hunter
TheLuckyPig
Grego

Holy Mackerel · 10-07-2010, 10:28 PM

BREAKING NEWS!!! The MLPA is agenda item #3 for Weds Oct 20. The meeting starts at 10 am. Get there before 10AM, so we can coordinate and cede time... etc..

Four Points by Sheraton
8110 Aero Drive
San Diego, CA

ROLL CALL!!!!

1. Chris
2. dmrides
3. deepdvr
4. dsafety
5. AQUATICHUNTER
6. SteveOOO
7. Dgax65
8. cowboybill
9. Fishionado
10. Old Rookie
11. PAL
12. Joe Beck
13. Kurt
14.Cabojohn
15. The Kid
16. CurtyL
17. Bluesquids
18. jbm
19. Matt
20. Tman
21. Clay
22. newguy01
23. WahooUSMA
24. Corey
25. Ohana
26. zinkysd
27. roadx
28. Tyler
29. Dan
30. C. Cary
31. dfroggy54
32. bubblehide
33. BillyV
34. Mikecollins86
35. fryguy
36. Tattuna
37. Paintnfish
38. kelpangler
39. Aquatic Hunter
40. TheLuckyPig
41. Grego
42. ???????

jbm · 10-08-2010, 11:16 AM

I posted this to www.scsurffishing.com. The shore fisherman will be equally affected.

http://www.scsurffishing.com/forums/...c.php?p=623690

MVC · 10-08-2010, 12:41 PM

I was waiting to see what day the public comment was going to be on. I will be there.

bubblehide · 10-08-2010, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grego

Chris, add the following to your list. Looks like most of the LA guys are sitting on the fence this time, maybe with the confirmed time a few more will commit.

Tattuna
Paintnfish
Kelpangler
Aquatic Hunter
TheLuckyPig
Grego

The LA group simply isn't organized, it's pretty much a non topic on the LA board. Only a mention with a link to this site. During the last meeting go-round I took a bunch of flak for continuing to ask the same question on the different MLPA posts: "Where and what time is the meeting". Despite them supposedly wanting everyone to show up to the meetings, they somehow didn't think letting people know where and when was necessary; go figure.

I wish I could make this one, but I'll be out of town. Give um hell!

JoeBeck · 10-11-2010, 03:19 PM

Bump! 9 days

hatchetman · 10-11-2010, 03:48 PM

Just got the day off confirmed today, I'll be there!

bellcon · 10-11-2010, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bubblehide

The LA group simply isn't organized, it's pretty much a non topic on the LA board. Only a mention with a link to this site. During the last meeting go-round I took a bunch of flak for continuing to ask the same question on the different MLPA posts: "Where and what time is the meeting". Despite them supposedly wanting everyone to show up to the meetings, they somehow didn't think letting people know where and when was necessary; go figure.

I wish I could make this one, but I'll be out of town. Give um hell!

I went the easy route this time and simply posted up the link where you saw it...
(I think you are one of only a few who responded...)

The rest of your post?
?
I guess that would be Greggos fault...
(although I do remember a helluva a lot of LA Boyz representing at many a meeting)

HOBIE SHAQ1 · 10-11-2010, 04:31 PM

Count me in , shaq1

bubblehide · 10-12-2010, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bellcon

I went the easy route this time and simply posted up the link where you saw it...
(I think you are one of only a few who responded...)

The rest of your post?
?
I guess that would be Greggos fault...
(although I do remember a helluva a lot of LA Boyz representing at many a meeting)

I don't blame anyone in particular; just pointing out what appears to be a fairly endemic characteristic of the majority of the Malibu crowd. Personally I think it's a bit self defeating, to say the least.

10-07-2010, 06:48 PM	#2
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	Wow...thanks for posting that. This is the little games the enviros are playing, please print that and bring it to the meeting. At one of the meetings, kids were bused in, spent their whole time texting, chatting, but when someone (and we all know who he is), offered those same kids FREE 1/2 DAY FISHING TRIPS, the hands shot up in the air. These people are going to pull out all the stops. They have done it before and they will do it again. When we wore black shirts so they knew who we were and what we stood for, we were accused of intimidation. When they handed out blue shirts, with sayings like, 'MLPA's work', it was okay, even though there were no MLPA's in place. They will do whatever they can. If they try that at my sons' school, they would be up for a major battle... __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

10-11-2010, 03:48 PM	#11
hatchetman Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: lincoln acres Posts: 60	Just got the day off confirmed today, I'll be there! __________________ FAITH, FAMILY, FIREARMS, FISHING When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. Thomas Jefferson

10-11-2010, 04:31 PM	#13
HOBIE SHAQ1 Junior Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Irvine ,ca. Posts: 27	Count me in , shaq1 __________________ Oscar A..

10-07-2010, 06:32 PM	#1
fryguy Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: san diego Posts: 33	Warning - this will piss you off. I don't mix work and play, but I love fishing, and this kills me. I have my own feelings about the MLPA, but this effort by the Coastkeeper is just plain dirty. Just to give you an idea of the effort by Coastkeeper - they are going all in, and are intentionally recruiting uninformed people to sabotage the meeting. Here is a message that I recently recieved in my email. I've taken the liberty of omitting any identity information, so please don't ask me any questions about that. Dear Teachers, For those of you that do not know me, my name is ***. I am a senior This year I am Club Co-President along with **. As some of you may know, if you were approached by members of the * Club, we were asked, by California Coast Keeper, to participate in a hearing about increasing the amount of marine reserves in the San Diego area. We are currently working on a short documentary, in support of developing these reserves, to present at the hearing. Additionally, * Club was asked to spread the word about attending the hearing to the community. The hearing will be on October 20th at the Sheritan Hotel on Arrow Rd. just off the 8. Coast Keeper has graciously offered to provide transportation, lunch and t-shirts for students and teachers who attend. Pick up would be around 9AM and hearing goes until 12PM. This is a great way to help protect our oceans from over fishing through showing our support for the new reserves. Club, along with * will be attending the hearing and the more people who attend, the better. We are trying to get an accurate count of who will be attending this hearing by Thursday October 7th. If you would like to have your whole class attend the hearing that would be wonderful and the extra chaperons would be appreciated. Additionally, if you would like, students from Club can present to your class on the issue, allowing students to decide for themselves if they would like to attend, sending only a small percentage of your class. If you would not like your students to attend, it is understandable. If you have students that are planning to attend please have them find me or * for permission slips. Thank you for your time! If you have any questions, feel free to email me at * or find me in school. This drives me nuts. Trying to manipulate and use uninformed students for someone else's personal agenda is just plain wrong. I have a unique opportunity to address this issue head on, and any information that you can give, such as REAL evidence or reasons why not to support the MLPA, that I can present to my students would be a great help for our interests. Hell, I'm thinking about starting the KEEP SD FISHING club. Also, now that you know this is coming, it will be our fault for not being prepared. We should expect this at the meeting and prepare for it. Dirty, dirty bastards.

10-07-2010, 06:53 PM	#3
FISHIONADO Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 698	Thanks Fryguy, we need all the folks we can get to attend early to get the chairs up front. I attended one of the BTRF meetings in Long Beach (or Anaheim?) and during my public comments I called it disingenuous that the pro-closure groups had recruited all the high school students clogging the room and hallways. Looks like it will happen again.

10-07-2010, 07:09 PM	#4
fryguy Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: san diego Posts: 33	oh yeah, can you guys add me to the list. I'll be there, and I'll have some words for any of my former students that I see there, too.

10-07-2010, 09:03 PM	#5
Grego Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 446	Chris, add the following to your list. Looks like most of the LA guys are sitting on the fence this time, maybe with the confirmed time a few more will commit. Tattuna Paintnfish Kelpangler Aquatic Hunter TheLuckyPig Grego

10-07-2010, 10:28 PM	#6
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	BREAKING NEWS!!! The MLPA is agenda item #3 for Weds Oct 20. The meeting starts at 10 am. Get there before 10AM, so we can coordinate and cede time... etc.. Four Points by Sheraton 8110 Aero Drive San Diego, CA ROLL CALL!!!! 1. Chris 2. dmrides 3. deepdvr 4. dsafety 5. AQUATICHUNTER 6. SteveOOO 7. Dgax65 8. cowboybill 9. Fishionado 10. Old Rookie 11. PAL 12. Joe Beck 13. Kurt 14.Cabojohn 15. The Kid 16. CurtyL 17. Bluesquids 18. jbm 19. Matt 20. Tman 21. Clay 22. newguy01 23. WahooUSMA 24. Corey 25. Ohana 26. zinkysd 27. roadx 28. Tyler 29. Dan 30. C. Cary 31. dfroggy54 32. bubblehide 33. BillyV 34. Mikecollins86 35. fryguy 36. Tattuna 37. Paintnfish 38. kelpangler 39. Aquatic Hunter 40. TheLuckyPig 41. Grego 42. ???????

10-08-2010, 11:16 AM	#7
jbm Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Escondido<->Carlsbad Posts: 81	I posted this to www.scsurffishing.com. The shore fisherman will be equally affected. http://www.scsurffishing.com/forums/...c.php?p=623690

10-08-2010, 12:41 PM	#8
MVC Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Costa Mesa Posts: 278	I was waiting to see what day the public comment was going to be on. I will be there.

10-11-2010, 03:19 PM	#10
JoeBeck Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 370	Bump! 9 days