The Chit List - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

deepdvr · 10-22-2010, 06:47 PM

As far as I'm aware of, there are no lingering Packards on the HP board of directors.

The foundation is the real enemy not the company. However, I guarantee you that a good chunk of the foundation's assets are tied into the HP share price.

There are alot of enviros in high places. Even our current CIA director, Leon Panetta, is a major advocate of ocean reform and has many ties to groups that have us in their cross-hairs. He went to my alma-mater and I used to like him.

dsafety · 10-22-2010, 09:35 PM

Both Hatchetman and Deepdiver bring up good points. Let me add another. Labeling someone or some group as the enemy simply because they have an association with someone or some group that opposes our point of view is dangerous. We should make sure that we have always the facts in hand before we form an opinion or make an accusation.

Labeling all environmentalists as the enemy is just as big of a reach as saying that HP is against us just because Packard helped found the company.

I consider myself an environmentalist and suspect that the majority of my kayak fishing friends share my concerns relating to most environmental issues. One can support protecting the environment without joining the enemy camp. There is a much more reasonable middle ground.

The big difference between us and the radicals who we are fighting is perspective. Radicals, whether they are political, religious or environmental all share one common trait. They are mioptic to the point that they cannot see any point of view other than their own. This kind of ignorance creates an enemy that can be difficult to fight. On the other hand, they all have one huge weakness. They cannot stand up to the truth.

Let's make sure that we always keep this weapon close by and untarnished.

Bob

bellcon · 12-13-2011, 12:07 PM

Bump
Because January 1st 2012 is right around the corner.

blitzburgh · 12-13-2011, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bellcon

Bump
Because January 1st 2012 is right around the corner.

Thank you!

ChefT · 12-13-2011, 07:21 PM

Tell Gates ill cook the catch,,,,

Occupy my OCEAN...... 1.1.12........

what mlpa
spread the word,,,, yaks, boats, skifts, tubes, fu$k it ... if it floats fish from it...

Im in ,,,,

bus kid · 01-04-2012, 07:03 AM

Perhaps a mod could sticky this thread.

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10-22-2010, 06:47 PM	#1
deepdvr Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Carlsbad Posts: 591	As far as I'm aware of, there are no lingering Packards on the HP board of directors. The foundation is the real enemy not the company. However, I guarantee you that a good chunk of the foundation's assets are tied into the HP share price. There are alot of enviros in high places. Even our current CIA director, Leon Panetta, is a major advocate of ocean reform and has many ties to groups that have us in their cross-hairs. He went to my alma-mater and I used to like him.

10-22-2010, 09:35 PM	#2
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,122	Both Hatchetman and Deepdiver bring up good points. Let me add another. Labeling someone or some group as the enemy simply because they have an association with someone or some group that opposes our point of view is dangerous. We should make sure that we have always the facts in hand before we form an opinion or make an accusation. Labeling all environmentalists as the enemy is just as big of a reach as saying that HP is against us just because Packard helped found the company. I consider myself an environmentalist and suspect that the majority of my kayak fishing friends share my concerns relating to most environmental issues. One can support protecting the environment without joining the enemy camp. There is a much more reasonable middle ground. The big difference between us and the radicals who we are fighting is perspective. Radicals, whether they are political, religious or environmental all share one common trait. They are mioptic to the point that they cannot see any point of view other than their own. This kind of ignorance creates an enemy that can be difficult to fight. On the other hand, they all have one huge weakness. They cannot stand up to the truth. Let's make sure that we always keep this weapon close by and untarnished. Bob