What has happened to the birth place of SOT fishing? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

rhyak · 10-23-2013, 03:19 PM

Whats happened... I am talking So-Cal in general

Multiple Forums down here in So-Cal all have few to no post on a weekly basis... Whats up with that.

LJ fished daily, no reports to really speak of.
Takes 8-10 post to actually find pictures of our awesome fishery.
The bay's is fished daily if not weekly for sure, rarely a report.
There are a couple 1000 members on here with not even half of you being active at all. Whats your deal?

When a good report does get posted fail not someone will come over and bash it... So why post right that is how I look at it.

Should I, "NO"
Should you "NO"
Post away.

What I am saying is there are forums up and down the rest of this county that are just flourishing right now and the So-Cal ones not so much...

Is it the MLPA causing it, I don't think so.
The MLPA is young in SoCal. Been around on the Central Coast for a decade.

Do not want this to turn into a locked thread so lets keep it light.
But what is going on down here but no where else in the country?

makobob · 10-23-2013, 03:43 PM

2X, GREAT question? What's going on with our community? Active memberhip down to 830.

bosshoss · 10-23-2013, 03:47 PM

danjor · 10-23-2013, 03:53 PM

Don't know, I'm on here every day, probably don't post as many reports as I should but I also don't go out as much as I used to and most of the time not much to report. But I try.

wiredantz · 10-23-2013, 03:54 PM

here are the answers:

#1
The answer is, Southern California is crowded, so very very crowded, many people feel like they do not want their honey hole ambushed with 20 million powerboaters.

#2

I heard their were some bandits chasing other fisherman with Gaffs

#3

Some people just don't care anymore, and don't want to me bothered with being politically correct to post or not to post

# 4

after a while a fish is a fish, and don't feel likes is a big deal to post.

# 5

some people ostracize you if you post....

PAL · 10-23-2013, 04:48 PM

Angler numbers and the relatively advanced age of the kayak fishing scene have a lot to do with the situation. As did web fragmentation (devolution). And the local concentration of most kayak anglers into relatively few fishing spots.

Consider also the collapse of the tournament schedule, which was largely but not solely offered and supported by retailers. I was very sorry to see the demise of the Moyer Memorial, at the time the longest running kayak fishing tournament in the world. Don't forget the red tape - permits and insurance are required for most events staged down here.

I think I have a broader perspective than most, and I've been around a long time. I've thought about and discussed these issues for years. The rise of code groups, Facebook and the MLPA have played a part. The modern birthplace of kayak fishing at Pt Dume is an MPA, no fishing, no-how. How's that for an insult?

Kayak anglers who are enjoying a heyday in other regions at least know what to watch for.

rhyak · 10-23-2013, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAL

Angler numbers and the relatively advanced age of the kayak fishing scene have a lot to do with the situation. As did web fragmentation (devolution). And the local concentration of most kayak anglers into relatively few fishing spots.

Consider also the collapse of the tournament schedule, which was largely but not solely offered and supported by retailers. I was very sorry to see the demise of the Moyer Memorial, at the time the longest running kayak fishing tournament in the world. Don't forget the red tape - permits and insurance are required for most events staged down here.

I think I have a broader perspective than most, and I've been around a long time. I've thought about and discussed these issues for years. The rise of code groups, Facebook and the MLPA have played a part. The modern birthplace of kayak fishing at Pt Dume is an MPA, no fishing, no-how. How's that for an insult?

Kayak anglers who are enjoying a heyday in other regions at least know what to watch for.

I agree to some aspects. The crowds do not seem to participate any longer. But why is that. Is the question.

Someone said over crowding, not sure if anyone is familiar with the BAY area but pretty damn populated and overcrowded and they seem to share just fine.

Is it because the MLPA is fresh down here and still hurts. Central Coast has had MLPAs for what? 10 years, most of the north coast ones pushing 6+ years, still there obviously but hurts. Some great locations no longer available, but still a lot of great locations to discover and share with friends.

Im pretty sure there was a time when the Albion Open was called ELK but that individual let the MLPA take him away from the Kayak community from what I have heard, with all due respect for this person, our we all gonna let this happen to the socal scene or is it already too late, due to not being able to fish certain area's.
We need it to bring us together, for the next battle that will arrive before we know it and need to be standing 300 strong not 30 strong...

There should be comradery among all of us not hatred and regret that's how it almost feels. Paul you know how that feels when you go to a NCKA event everyone is family and that's how it should be down here.

Regards,

Ryan

lowprofile · 10-23-2013, 06:59 PM

if you have questions, they will generally be answered but looking for up to date reports from a bunch of guys who eat, breath and dream of fishing and catch fish consistantly...not going to happen. there is no joy from posting pics of the same fish over and over. I'm sure if a run of yellowfin or BFT made it up this way the forum would be flooded. but its till just yellowtail, wsb, halibut and a bunch of bottom fish.

we are all guilty of the Noob posts of our first fish or 20. then its just pointless because its the same tactics and probably same area over and over but you still get flooded with questions from people too lazy to do research or try something new OR if you post too much your taking too many fish and the MLPA is now your fault AND you've given away the super secret bite that really never ends all year.

PAL · 10-24-2013, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rhyak

I agree to some aspects. The crowds do not seem to participate any longer. But why is that. Is the question.

Someone said over crowding, not sure if anyone is familiar with the BAY area but pretty damn populated and overcrowded and they seem to share just fine.

There are more people ever out kayak fishing. It is a mistake to equate lower web forum participation with a slump in the sport. Forum traffic seems to be down across the state, not just in SoCal.

Bay area! The intensity of use is nothing like it is at La Jolla or even Dana Pt. That cold, rough water might be NCKA's best advantage. It's a compelling reason to avoid solo missions, and keeps participation down to only the committed.

When it comes to community, forums are places to talk between events and other issues that bring people who share a common interest together, whether it is a tournament series or a cherished friend's battle against cancer. That's real community, not this Internet chit-chatter.

Even though the SoCal tournament scene was in decline at the time, this community rallied strong during the MLPA fight. All of La Jolla would have been closed. That is a fact. And leave that other guy out of it. You have little idea what you're talking about.

Quote:

There should be comradery among all of us not hatred and regret that's how it almost feels. Paul you know how that feels when you go to a NCKA event everyone is family and that's how it should be down here.

Every family has its problem children, even NCKA. Try a positive attitude. You might get more positive responses. Camaraderie is around if you know where to look.

Bennyblanco · 10-23-2013, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiredantz

here are the answers:

#1
The answer is, Southern California is crowded, so very very crowded, many people feel like they do not want their honey hole ambushed with 20 million powerboaters.

#2

I heard their were some bandits chasing other fisherman with Gaffs

#3

Some people just don't care anymore, and don't want to me bothered with being politically correct to post or not to post

# 4

after a while a fish is a fish, and don't feel likes is a big deal to post.

# 5

some people ostracize you if you post....

#5 for me. Disappoint with some of members that I met in the water and they try to avoid you.don't want to mention names but, there part of some sewish spill team.

ful-rac · 10-23-2013, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bennyblanco

#5 for me. Disappoint with some of members that I met in the water and they try to avoid you.don't want to mention names but, there part of some sewish spill team.

Oh I sorry you are "disappoint" with the "sewish spill team", I'm assuming your referring to team sewer?

Have you ever introduced yourself to anyone of us? I don't ever remember ever meeting you.

Stinkymatt runs the complaint department maybe you want to get ahold of him hopefully he can resolve your issue.

In all seriousness were all really cool guys...at least I like to think so. If anyone is unlucky enough to run into any of us on the water don't be afraid to introduce yourself....we won't bite....

HARD!

dorado50 · 10-23-2013, 08:33 PM

Sign of the times.....an evolution if you will.

jorluivil · 10-24-2013, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ful-rac

Oh I sorry you are "disappoint" with the "sewish spill team", I'm assuming your referring to team sewer?

Have you ever introduced yourself to anyone of us? I don't ever remember ever meeting you.

Stinkymatt runs the complaint department maybe you want to get ahold of him hopefully he can resolve your issue.

In all seriousness were all really cool guys...at least I like to think so. If anyone is unlucky enough to run into any of us on the water don't be afraid to introduce yourself....we won't bite....

HARD!

I'm with Tony on this one, if I had to post a thread everytime I went out fishing most of you would be disappointed

However, I did manage to come home with enough macs to cover my hooping sessions for the rest of the season

jorluivil · 10-24-2013, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bennyblanco

#5 for me. Disappoint with some of members that I met in the water and they try to avoid you.don't want to mention names but, there part of some sewish spill team.

Thank God our name rhymes with lure and not sewish because we would never do such a thing.

monkeyfishturds · 10-23-2013, 05:21 PM

People fish because they enjoy it Ryan. Sharing on the internet is a personal choice. You'd be surprised how many fishermen don't want to share their lives with strangers on the internet. Don't be bothered by peoples choices.

rhyak · 10-23-2013, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkeyfishturds

People fish because they enjoy it Ryan. Sharing on the internet is a personal choice. You'd be surprised how many fishermen don't want to share their lives with strangers on the internet. Don't be bothered by peoples choices.

Thanks for using one of your 29 post in the last 4 years on this...

monkeyfishturds · 10-24-2013, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhyak

Thanks for using one of your 29 post in the last 4 years on this...

Ouch, that wasn't friendly. Some opinions are not welcome i see.

maui jim · 10-24-2013, 06:27 AM

Hunting season cant use a kayak for that....... I think I may need to borrow Jeorges SKUNK OFF SPRAY.... Stupid deer, pigs, quail,

Too bad you cant eat ground squirrels cuz I knocked the beejesus out of those....400+ with a 17HMR..

I need to go hooping now....so I can post shorts.. they way my season is going...

Baja_Traveler · 10-24-2013, 06:53 AM

I've been around long enough to notice that it all goes in cycles - when the fishing is dead, the forum is dead because there is not much to talk or brag about.

Then the fishing gets hot and we get lots of reports here.

Then the really dedicated guys who are out there putting in the miles get P.O.ed when they post up a report and the whole world descends on the location the next day - so they stop posting reports.

Then someone invariably whines that there are no reports being posted here and we're all dicks for ignoring the newbies.

Right now fishing isn't so hot, football and hunting season is upon us, and from what I read the lobster season isn't much to speak of this year.

Personally I haven't been on the water in two months because of my rifle competitions and getting a few hunts in - which seems to be my first love because I'm choosing it over my fishing poles.

But there is one thing I do know for a fact - there is a select group of guys here who are quietly putting in the time on the water every day, and probably catching more fish than I'll ever see because they are as dedicated to kayak fishing as I am to my rifle competitions. And I admire them for that - you guys know who you are...

Chuck D · 10-24-2013, 06:54 AM

I feel that as in life as well as in BWE you should give at least double back that you receive to make up for all the stingy ones in our world. However, this does not have to take the form of posting your catch or honey holes every time you go out. Over the years I have gotten many tips and given many tips from people/friends I have met through this forum. I have made many contacts and got much advise and help from people and try help them back whether it is in the form of a helpful post, pm, on the water experience or handing out fish to friends in need. I think most kayak fishermen are alike in the ways that they are kind, intelligent, competitive and environmentally concious people. I think your frustrations come from the fact that most people are not contributing in the form of posts and this equals the fact that people aren't contributing at all to the progression of kayak fishing, but I think it goes much deeper to the contributions outside of the forum that start in the forum, if that makes sense

We are all is the same boat here my friends, just in different part of the country.

10-23-2013, 04:48 PM	#6
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	Angler numbers and the relatively advanced age of the kayak fishing scene have a lot to do with the situation. As did web fragmentation (devolution). And the local concentration of most kayak anglers into relatively few fishing spots. Consider also the collapse of the tournament schedule, which was largely but not solely offered and supported by retailers. I was very sorry to see the demise of the Moyer Memorial, at the time the longest running kayak fishing tournament in the world. Don't forget the red tape - permits and insurance are required for most events staged down here. I think I have a broader perspective than most, and I've been around a long time. I've thought about and discussed these issues for years. The rise of code groups, Facebook and the MLPA have played a part. The modern birthplace of kayak fishing at Pt Dume is an MPA, no fishing, no-how. How's that for an insult? Kayak anglers who are enjoying a heyday in other regions at least know what to watch for. Last edited by PAL; 10-23-2013 at 04:54 PM.

10-23-2013, 06:59 PM	#8
lowprofile #1 on fishstick's hitlist Join Date: May 2011 Location: Sea level Posts: 1,477	if you have questions, they will generally be answered but looking for up to date reports from a bunch of guys who eat, breath and dream of fishing and catch fish consistantly...not going to happen. there is no joy from posting pics of the same fish over and over. I'm sure if a run of yellowfin or BFT made it up this way the forum would be flooded. but its till just yellowtail, wsb, halibut and a bunch of bottom fish. we are all guilty of the Noob posts of our first fish or 20. then its just pointless because its the same tactics and probably same area over and over but you still get flooded with questions from people too lazy to do research or try something new OR if you post too much your taking too many fish and the MLPA is now your fault AND you've given away the super secret bite that really never ends all year. __________________ MLPA- My Largest Poaching Area

10-24-2013, 06:27 AM	#18
maui jim Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Cypress, CA Posts: 789	Hunting season cant use a kayak for that....... I think I may need to borrow Jeorges SKUNK OFF SPRAY.... Stupid deer, pigs, quail, Too bad you cant eat ground squirrels cuz I knocked the beejesus out of those....400+ with a 17HMR.. I need to go hooping now....so I can post shorts.. they way my season is going... __________________

10-23-2013, 03:19 PM	#1
rhyak Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Central Coast Posts: 398	What has happened to the birth place of SOT fishing? Whats happened... I am talking So-Cal in general Multiple Forums down here in So-Cal all have few to no post on a weekly basis... Whats up with that. LJ fished daily, no reports to really speak of. Takes 8-10 post to actually find pictures of our awesome fishery. The bay's is fished daily if not weekly for sure, rarely a report. There are a couple 1000 members on here with not even half of you being active at all. Whats your deal? When a good report does get posted fail not someone will come over and bash it... So why post right that is how I look at it. Should I, "NO" Should you "NO" Post away. What I am saying is there are forums up and down the rest of this county that are just flourishing right now and the So-Cal ones not so much... Is it the MLPA causing it, I don't think so. The MLPA is young in SoCal. Been around on the Central Coast for a decade. Do not want this to turn into a locked thread so lets keep it light. But what is going on down here but no where else in the country? __________________ Team Central Coast Kayak Fishing

10-23-2013, 03:43 PM	#2
makobob Baitless on Baja Join Date: May 2013 Location: Vista California, Gonzaga, San Quintin, Asuncion, Mag Bay Posts: 4,250	2X, GREAT question? What's going on with our community? Active memberhip down to 830. __________________ http://www.mako-ville.com Home 760-630-4470 Cell 760-520-2514 YES YOU CAN

10-23-2013, 03:47 PM	#3
bosshoss Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Santee Posts: 197

10-23-2013, 03:53 PM	#4
danjor Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Riverside CA Posts: 673	Don't know, I'm on here every day, probably don't post as many reports as I should but I also don't go out as much as I used to and most of the time not much to report. But I try.

10-23-2013, 03:54 PM	#5
wiredantz Currently @ MLO Territory Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Under the Shadow Posts: 2,290	here are the answers: #1 The answer is, Southern California is crowded, so very very crowded, many people feel like they do not want their honey hole ambushed with 20 million powerboaters. #2 I heard their were some bandits chasing other fisherman with Gaffs #3 Some people just don't care anymore, and don't want to me bothered with being politically correct to post or not to post # 4 after a while a fish is a fish, and don't feel likes is a big deal to post. # 5 some people ostracize you if you post.... __________________ Team: Disbanded You only have one chance in this life...make the right decision(s)...so you don't regret it

10-23-2013, 08:33 PM	#12
dorado50 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: La Jolla Shores Posts: 1,626	Sign of the times.....an evolution if you will.

10-23-2013, 05:21 PM	#15
monkeyfishturds Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 74	People fish because they enjoy it Ryan. Sharing on the internet is a personal choice. You'd be surprised how many fishermen don't want to share their lives with strangers on the internet. Don't be bothered by peoples choices.

10-24-2013, 06:53 AM	#19
Baja_Traveler Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Table 17, Bay Park Fish Co. Posts: 943	I've been around long enough to notice that it all goes in cycles - when the fishing is dead, the forum is dead because there is not much to talk or brag about. Then the fishing gets hot and we get lots of reports here. Then the really dedicated guys who are out there putting in the miles get P.O.ed when they post up a report and the whole world descends on the location the next day - so they stop posting reports. Then someone invariably whines that there are no reports being posted here and we're all dicks for ignoring the newbies. Right now fishing isn't so hot, football and hunting season is upon us, and from what I read the lobster season isn't much to speak of this year. Personally I haven't been on the water in two months because of my rifle competitions and getting a few hunts in - which seems to be my first love because I'm choosing it over my fishing poles. But there is one thing I do know for a fact - there is a select group of guys here who are quietly putting in the time on the water every day, and probably catching more fish than I'll ever see because they are as dedicated to kayak fishing as I am to my rifle competitions. And I admire them for that - you guys know who you are...

10-24-2013, 06:54 AM	#20
Chuck D Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bay Park Posts: 559	I feel that as in life as well as in BWE you should give at least double back that you receive to make up for all the stingy ones in our world. However, this does not have to take the form of posting your catch or honey holes every time you go out. Over the years I have gotten many tips and given many tips from people/friends I have met through this forum. I have made many contacts and got much advise and help from people and try help them back whether it is in the form of a helpful post, pm, on the water experience or handing out fish to friends in need. I think most kayak fishermen are alike in the ways that they are kind, intelligent, competitive and environmentally concious people. I think your frustrations come from the fact that most people are not contributing in the form of posts and this equals the fact that people aren't contributing at all to the progression of kayak fishing, but I think it goes much deeper to the contributions outside of the forum that start in the forum, if that makes sense We are all is the same boat here my friends, just in different part of the country.