Last day of fishing the now closed Scripps area

[j mo]

What are the regs for that? If you do catch a yellow or halibut while making bait? Are you supposed to release? What if you cant, I once foul hooked a YT at blacks in the gill. Zero chance of survival.... Can you keep bycatch in that case?

[dos ballenas]

Originally Posted by j mo

What are the regs for that? If you do catch a yellow or halibut while making bait? Are you supposed to release? What if you cant, I once foul hooked a YT at blacks in the gill. Zero chance of survival.... Can you keep bycatch in that case?

good question. Legally I don't think you could keep it, regardless of its potential to survive...

I'm would assume you're supossed to cut the line immediately, but I doubt there are any rules or regulations that have been written up to address such a case.

Legally I don't think anyone could prove anything in regards to this kind of situation.

This is one of the biggest reasons why I'm pissed off about the Scripps area being closed.

It doesn't make any sense to close the area to pelagics but leave it open to coastal pelagics.

This is just another example of how the whole MLPA process was flawed, biased, and twisted by the enviros.

The stupid enviros don't even know the difference between what making bait and catching fish looks like!




Its just stupid.

[mbaha]

Originally Posted by dos ballenas

good question. Legally I don't think you could keep it, regardless of its potential to survive...

I'm would assume you're supossed to cut the line immediately, but I doubt there are any rules or regulations that have been written up to address such a case.

Legally I don't think anyone could prove anything in regards to this kind of situation.

This is one of the biggest reasons why I'm pissed off about the Scripps area being closed.

It doesn't make any sense to close the area to pelagics but leave it open to coastal pelagics.

This is just another example of how the whole MLPA process was flawed, biased, and twisted by the enviros.

The stupid enviros don't even know the difference between what making bait and catching fish looks like!




Its just stupid.

I think it is funny that the MLPA uses the term "coastal pelagic" to refer to bait, because to me WSB is a coastal pelagic.

To your question as to why coastal pelagics are the only think allowed for take, my understanding is that the area was suppose to be a full SMR (zero take) and the Efferingham(sp) brothers said they need the area to make bait and your lot (the kayakers) fought hard to keep the right to make bait at the pier and canyon. And the game warden who parks at base of the pier or watches from the top of blacks knows the difference between a sardine and a yellowtail.

[dos ballenas]

Originally Posted by mbaha

I think it is funny that the MLPA uses the term "coastal pelagic" to refer to bait, because to me WSB is a coastal pelagic.

To your question as to why coastal pelagics are the only think allowed for take, my understanding is that the area was suppose to be a full SMR (zero take) and the Efferingham(sp) brothers said they need the area to make bait and your lot (the kayakers) fought hard to keep the right to make bait at the pier and canyon. And the game warden who parks at base of the pier or watches from the top of blacks knows the difference between a sardine and a yellowtail.

true... wsb should be reclassified realistically...

I knew why it was left open to catching bait....

It just doesn't make sense to me that you would allow big boats like Evingrahms to come in and purse seine a ton of sardines when you won't let a few recreational fishermen catch one or two yellowtail.

Yeah, I would hope the warden knows the difference between a yellowtail and mackerel up close.

But I doubt the warden would be able to tell from distance if you were catching bait, soaking bait, or hooked up to a big fish..... its pretty easy to hide a bendo if you try.

I have been less than a 1/4 mile from people that were bent on big yellowtail and I didnt even notice!

[PAL]

Funny thing, coastal pelagics (bait) in the MPA north of the pier is open only to recreational take. When they cut that deal to allow us to continue fishing bait at the pier (a concession we ripped from them - Tyler), Everyingham was supposed to have access too. Somehow they "lost" that part.

If you ask the DFG, they'll tell you fish that aren't legal to take (yellowtail north of the pier) must be released even if that means dead. The same principle rules rockfish. Say you pull up one too many bloated salmon grouper or canary, you've got to leave it as a floater or risk a fine.

[mtnbykr2]

Originally Posted by PAL

Funny thing, coastal pelagics (bait) in the MPA north of the pier is open only to recreational take. When they cut that deal to allow us to continue fishing bait at the pier (a concession we ripped from them - Tyler), Everyingham was supposed to have access too. Somehow they "lost" that part.

If you ask the DFG, they'll tell you fish that aren't legal to take (yellowtail north of the pier) must be released even if that means dead. The same principle rules rockfish. Say you pull up one too many bloated salmon grouper or canary, you've got to leave it as a floater or risk a fine.

which never made any sense to me at all...what are you gonna do...
Sherm,
I hope you go all the way...and I promise to not refer to you as one of "those politicians" this state needs more than one of you in office for the good of the people...I support you 100%

[Sherm]

Originally Posted by mtnbykr2

which never made any sense to me at all...what are you gonna do...
Sherm,
I hope you go all the way...and I promise to not refer to you as one of "those politicians" this state needs more than one of you in office for the good of the people...I support you 100%

Thanks amigo. We need a business man and outdoor enthusiast on the council. The second largest city in the state has to have some clout to help slow this down.