6/05 AM

[aguachico]

To hell with the coast guard, let's get a group of 40 and get on the boat. We could have some serious fun!!! lol

"clean up in the galley"
"clean up in the galley"
"please refrain from puking in the galley"
"clean up in the galley"
"clean up in the galley"
"DO NOT PUKE IN THE BAIT TANK"

Just kidding

[Matt]

I am always game to puke on a boat!! I even know just the place to get food poisoning!!! Dan good seeing you and happy to hand you some hooks, right after I did that I got sawed off by the cuda fest!! Got 2 baits stolen and was also buzzed by Ricardo cabeza a.k.a Jason (at least that is the name people have told me) of the dolphin, put a call into the coast guard but I doubt it will do much. Nice meeting you John!

Matt

[Siebler]

Dont go screwing with the Crew. Those guys work hard for little money as it is without somebody making their life harder thinking that itll hurt the captian. Trust me IT WONT, Jason is known as Ol' Dock 'n Dash, He doesnt clean the boat, his crew does. They are a great couple of guys, why make their life harder for no reason?

And Firing a jig at the boat will get you nowhere, Except maybe in trouble. Its not going to damage the boat, its alluminum.

While there is no reason for these guys to get close, Remember guys, The speed thing is because these boats IDLE at 7knts or so and the move a lot of water, which means that even at idle speed they make substantial wake.

Tim ran the boat today not Jason so if you go reporting stuff know who was running the boat.

Jason is running the Boat tommorow and i will be fishing it in the PM, If he gets too close you can be sure ill say something.

[dgax65]

Retaliation is always going to be counterproductive. Anything you do to a sport fishing boat is going to have negligible impact to the captain or the boat. It is much more likely that you will injure or piss off a paying customer. You'll also wind up with 45 witnesses. It is better to document the incident and report it to the USCG. Do it the legal way and we will eventually get rid of the bad captains. Toss an iron at a boat full of people and all kayakers are going to come out on the losing end of the battle. It kind of sucks, not getting the immediate gratification, but retaliation on the water isn't going to help. Repeated, documented reports to the CG will eventually have an impact.

[DBITE]

While there is no reason for these guys to get close, Remember guys, The speed thing is because these boats IDLE at 7knts or so and the move a lot of water, which means that even at idle speed they make substantial wake.

Its funny how the same style boats never seem to throw a wake when they pass me in the commercial basin of SD Bay, and they're definitely not doing 7 knots at idle. If for some reason the slowest this boat can do is 7 knots (8+ mph) then all we have to do is report him to the Coast Guard or Harbor Police every time he attempts to enter or exit the bay.

Mission Bay Vessel Speed

The speed limit on Mission Bay from sunset to sunrise is five (5) miles per hour. At other times, certain areas have a designated speed limit of five (5) miles per hour or less. These include:

Wherever buoys are posted with a five (5) mile per hour limit
Near bridges
Within 100 feet of shore
Within 100 feet of another vessel

Controlled Speed Areas
Speed limits are posted on buoys and signs.
The nighttime speed limit is 5 knots in all areas of the bay.
The speed limit is 5 mph within 100 feet of any other vessel, within 100 feet of the shoreline, within 200 feet of any dock or float, and under any bridges.
The speed limit is limited to steerage way only in all marina areas and basins.
The speed limit in Sail Bay is limited to 5 mph 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. from May 1 through Oct. 31.
Open Speed Areas Fiesta Bay, in the eastern half of Mission Bay, is the only area with no daytime speed limits, except the specific situations listed above.

[Siebler]

Trust me the NSF idles at 7knts and the dolphin is only a few knts behind. Not all the boats idle at high speed, The other boats i work on arnt near this fast. I work right accross the dock from the dolphin, the captians are not the best guys but there is definatly over-reaction from the kayak community on occasion.

Reporting a speed violation in the harbor to USCG just wastes your and their time, They know the RJ idles at 7knts and there is an understanding there. Its just like me telling CHP your going 70 on the 8 on your way home from fishing, its a small violation and noth worth their time.

[esdees]

Originally Posted by bassboyc

Trust me the NSF idles at 7knts and the dolphin is only a few knts behind. Not all the boats idle at high speed, The other boats i work on arnt near this fast. I work right accross the dock from the dolphin, the captians are not the best guys but there is definatly over-reaction from the kayak community on occasion.

I agree, but they're not always over reactions.

Originally Posted by bassboyc

Reporting a speed violation in the harbor to USCG just wastes your and their time, They know the RJ idles at 7knts and there is an understanding there. Its just like me telling CHP your going 70 on the 8 on your way home from fishing, its a small violation and noth worth their time.

Actually, if you do the math it's more like going 104 on the freeway home from fishing. Yes, I know that's not a fair comparison, but you started it.

"the RJ" - that's funny.

Sadly, this probably won't stop until something bad happens, like they flip a yaker who drowns or they hit a diver. Take pictures when you see a boat zinging other crafts, but don't chuck iron at them... that's not the smartest tactic. They are the bigger vessel and they have the right of way, but that doesn't mean they should get their jollies by waking yakers.

PS - this is a public forum. Everyone can see what you say...

[ratdog]

I called the lifeguard station, they said if the boat comes within 100ft I can file a citizens arrest, but I would have to ID the person driving the boat. I couldn't tell you who was actually driving. Next I called Islandia Sportfishing and they told me the owner of the boat was the captain this morning and he would never do anything like that. They told me his name was something like Tim Volklander but I could of got the name wrong. They would pass along my concern. Gee thanks!
Matt pleasure meeting you, I didn't want to drag you in, but Matt saw everything as close as I did.

[dos ballenas]

yep, nada for us... the new seaforth has been pulling that crap this year also... saw a nice little tail on the beack at 1030... I may actually be joining the plastic armada in the near future ... time to put the tin can away and get some exercise

[tylerdurden]

Dolphin did the same thing to me on Saturday. I was away from the pack drifting, not trolling and he headed right for me. I understand when kayakers pin them in somewhere they need to get out, but this was for no reason. I was close enough to hear the deckhands and passengers laughing as their wake hit me.

We also need to stay away from their chumlines. Some kayakers and pbers still fish and troll right through the sporties chumlines which doesn't make things anybetter, of course it doesn't help when they anchor up right next to you.

[tptrench]

Contact Ken Franke of the harbor police. I reported asshole Jason a couple of years ago for similar incidents and he had to cut bait for awhile. I had the New Seaforth come way to close yesterday. Those guys have no respect for us. Ken owns the Outer Limits out of Seaforth. He contacted Voaklander and that helped for awhile. What can we do? I'm really sick of what's happening out there!!!! TP

[dorado50]

I like aquachico's idea, but lets just meet him on the dock upon his return, and voice our concern and see what transpires. Just me and a really strong guy should work.

[Corey]

Originally Posted by tptrench

Contact Ken Franke of the harbor police. I reported asshole Jason a couple of years ago for similar incidents and he had to cut bait for awhile. I had the New Seaforth come way to close yesterday. Those guys have no respect for us. Ken owns the Outer Limits out of Seaforth. He contacted Voaklander and that helped for awhile. What can we do? I'm really sick of what's happening out there!!!! TP

That's a good tip. I'd reccommend that everyone effected by an incidedent make a seperate call to the CG and Harbor Police every time something happens with those pricks. They won't be able to ignore it then.

[Corey]

I like Art's idea too, except lets skip the puking and just throw the asshole overboard.

And Dave, I'll go with ya.

BTW, I'll see the pm shift out there tonight.

[Dan]

On a side note, Knothead is now sporting a new white Tady on his back

[Sherm]

Originally Posted by Dan

On a side note, Knothead is now sporting a new white Tady on his back

Great job That bastard is probably still digesting my YT from Saturday.

[wavster]

On Sunday I was approached the same way early in the AM. I was way out & alone since 5am.
The New Seaforth aimed right at me then turned at the last minute (about 20 yards away.
I got swamped and the Captain just stared me down.

To make a long story short, I called the Coast Guard yesterday and spoke with an investigator
for about 30 minutes. They've told me that the New Seaforth has had several
complaints filed against them.

Being a vigilante isn't the right way to go. Use the legal system. The CG has the
power to revoke their commercial license, so that's the way I'm going to go. Also,
taking pictures of the boat/captain when being buzzed will go a long way if legal
action is pursued.

Just my 2 cents.

[Matt]

Hell Dan, if I had known you need another iron to put in ol' knothead I would have gladly given you one of those too!!! Good luck to the pm dudes!!
Corey and Dave just let me know if you want a third guy to tag along for fun!! I like long in depth political discussions....or just kicking the F'ing crap out of jerks!!!
Matt

[ratdog]

Originally Posted by wavster

On Sunday I was approached the same way early in the AM. I was way out & alone since 5am.
The New Seaforth aimed right at me then turned at the last minute (about 20 yards away.
I got swamped and the Captain just stared me down.

To make a long story short, I called the Coast Guard yesterday and spoke with an investigator
for about 30 minutes. They've told me that the New Seaforth has had several
complaints filed against them.

Being a vigilante isn't the right way to go. Use the legal system. The CG has the
power to revoke their commercial license, so that's the way I'm going to go. Also,
taking pictures of the boat/captain when being buzzed will go a long way if legal
action is pursued.

Just my 2 cents.

What # did you call?

[wavster]

Petty Officer Daniels gave me this number if anyone needs to file an incident report:
619.278.7031.

This is not for things like "he buzzed me", but more if there is a kayak flipped because
of wake from them coming too close.