What intell should a real "fishing report" include?

[ful-rac]

Aww come'on brokeloser, this is the reaction that you wanted and expected....you got what you wanted right? Remember "stir the pot"?

[maui jim]

I always catch my fish at L.J., west end of the dam near the overflow on the negative tide, on the harvest moon, next to the 3rd big sunken rock, with live bait... But no one ever believes me ,so that's why I don't post pics and sizes, longs and lats, and such....... But I do like popcorn...

[BrokeLoser]

Originally Posted by ful-rac

Aww come'on brokeloser, this is the reaction that you wanted and expected....you got what you wanted right? Remember "stir the pot"?

Not really man...I didn't start this thread for selfish reasons...you'll see, I won't stoop down and engage in an argument with you...I see no reason to puff up from behind the safety of my keyboard. I really hoped to spark a quality topic of conversation.

Plus, their really is no argument...I'm simply making a point that we have a "Fishing Reports" forum where rarely a true fishing report is posted...that's all.
We can all act stupid for the sake of debate but I'm pretty sure we all know what a fishing report should entail.

[wiredantz]

Any one know why history repeats itself:

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...=reading+lines


Lol this is also the same Post where Neil called matt and Elite kayak Fisherman LOL

[ful-rac]

I've been looking for that one!

ELITE!!!

[Dannowar]

aw crap! i forgot to post this one last february!

he was foul hooked so it doesnt count anyways.....





sorry guys!


120 feet, water 58, right off the point

[Deamon]

darkhorsefishdope.com. teamsewerspots.rr.com Drakeshotspotnow.com

I would pay big money for those services.


Lets be honest...most of us are bragging when rewarded because of the time, cost and effort given/required, that's it.

I'm merely grateful when fresh posts are put up, that's all I need to get me off the couch. Jim

[wiredantz]

Originally Posted by Deamon

darkhorsefishdope.com. teamsewerspots.rr.com Drakeshotspotnow.com

I would pay big money for those services.


Lets be honest...most of us are bragging when rewarded because of the time, cost and effort given/required, that's it.

I'm merely grateful when fresh posts are put up, that's all I need to get me off the couch. Jim

I can just see it:

darkhorsefishdope.com (This site will tell you where to fish and what is biting)
teamsewerspots.rr.com (this site will tell you where not to fish and what is not biting)
Drakeshotspotnow.com (this site will tell you what condition the females are and where they are at and what is biting)

[BrokeLoser]

Since some people feel like I was finger pointing with this thread aimed at them (you know who you are)...haha...I should add that I do read some quality reports here. (you know who you are)

Also, with regard to sharing hot spots. Have you noticed that some of the best fishermen...Iceman (Andy) and (Fiskadoro) Jim Day to name a couple generally have no problem sharing detailed information...ironic?

[MrM]

A fun story that goes with a picture is good in my book. Everyone enjoys a fun read. What you post is up to you. No matter what you do, you'll never please everyone; whether they reply and say so or not. Simple as that. Having that said, in the end its just about the . Catching is a bonus.

[BrokeLoser]

Originally Posted by MrM

A fun story that goes with a picture is good in my book. Everyone enjoys a fun read. What you post is up to you. No matter what you do, you'll never please everyone; whether they reply and say so or not. Simple as that. Having that said, in the end its just about the . Catching is a bonus.

I'm not arguing that at all...
I'm just saying that the idea of a "fishing report" should not become a posted photo followed by; 'Caught this fish in the Pacific Ocean somewhere.'

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by BrokeLoser

I'm just saying that the idea of a "fishing report" should not become a posted photo followed by; 'Caught this fish in the Pacific Ocean somewhere.'

.... and I'd say you are once again misinformed.

Information posts on how to rig, fish specific tackle, use your finder etc... are great and I personally love helping people giving them things they can try and showing new ways to do things.

Occasionally I'll be at a tackle store and someone will come up, say my name then say something like I really love your dropper loop rig you posted and have caught a ton of fish with it. I met guy at MDR that caught a 40+ pound halibut using a slow trolling rig I came up with and when he told me it made my day. That's what information posting and internet sharing is about, but it's not the same as posting a fish report.

Fish reports have one purpose in my book. It's simply to say there are fish around, get out there and find some fish.

You may think that's not enough but you got to remember that online posting is not the same as talking to your best buddy. It's not a private message or note. It's like a frigging billboard on the freeway. Everything you post here will be seen by hundreds of people, and bite information can end up on dozens of places online after a single post, so you need to realize that what you post can have a huge unintended impacts and honestly there are things you can and can not post.

Take hoop netting for instance. Say you come here and say hey I went to X rocks at these numbers and got a limit in two hours at slack tide. Sounds harmless right.

Say a hundred people see that, say ten of them go the next night and clean up, and then say they post thier catches on thier favorite boards. Next thing you know thousands of people will know about your spot, and it will be full of hoop-netters and divers every time you go out.

Rocks aren't fish. Rocks don't move!!

Everyone who goes to that spot and get's a bug is going to mark it on their GPS and if they do well there they will tell others and eventually when you go to hoop it there will be dozens if not a hundred guys trying to hoop it.

I've seen this first hand at several locations. So I know better then to post hoop locations. I'll post about how to rig or build nets, what floats I like even the best baits, tides and how often to pull your nets but I will not post where I hoop it's just something you should never put online, and I'm not going to show anyone where to hoop until I know they know that as well.

Seabass are equally problematic. They school up and can go incredibly wide open, which also means they can be dramatically overfished.

Back in like 2001 one boat saw squid on the surface in front of Rocky Point and then caught a big seabass over fifty pounds, and posted about it. The next day I was there and got a forty pounder in the fog. Around noon it cleared and there were maybe 30 boats around us, a bunch more posts went up, the next day there were a hundred and fifty boats by the end of the week at least 200 a day. Everyone got fish, I caught one every day I fished it. I posted several of them online, but in the end thousands of fish were caught, everyone with a crappy boat was out there, and it turned into total carnage.

We shared the info online with the best intentions and it turned into a slaughter, we fished them out, and I've never seen another seabass in that spot since then.

I've fished some epic bites since, but honestly I have not posted a single post about a wide open seabass bite since then. Once was enough for me.

I've put up a few posts about solo fish, usually early in the season before they start spawning, when they are hard to get, but that's it.

If you want to share some general report info, that's cool, great love it, but the details you want should not be posted online, especially for major bites. I think the more experience you get the more you will realize that. You just can't share all the details: location info, time, and other details about hot bites online. It always turns into a problem.

Just my take though, Jim

[ful-rac]

Originally Posted by MrM

A fun story that goes with a picture is good in my book. Everyone enjoys a fun read. What you post is up to you. No matter what you do, you'll never please everyone; whether they reply and say so or not. Simple as that. Having that said, in the end its just about the . Catching is a bonus.

Right on MrM!

It's not all about catching fish, knowing the particular depth and temp, location... if it was a lot of us would have quit years ago. It's mostly about having fun...and we do have a lot of fun!

[beef78]

A photo should be included, but no measuring device so there is no dispute of how heavy/long the fish actually is.
if there are any recognizable landmarks in the back of the photo, they should be blacked out.
also, have a backup rod ready with a decoy bait/lure to hook perfectly into the fishes upper lip to throw off people trying to figure out your secret bait.
An overestimate of the approximate size and weight should be included.
Also, an approximate penis size. Remember that actual length is calculated by multiplying measured length by 1.4 to eliminate human error and parralax.

[ful-rac]

JIM DAY!!!!!!!

did we just have another "elite" moment!?

[dorado50]

Originally Posted by BrokeLoser

Also, with regard to sharing hot spots. Have you noticed that some of the best fishermen...Iceman (Andy) and (Fiskadoro) Jim Day to name a couple generally have no problem sharing detailed information...ironic?

Geez....you haven't noticed that some(most) of the other best kayak fisherman no longer share or contribute on this site?. I wonder why?

However, I must say the entertainment value of this forum is through the roof the last couple of years!

[mrJB]

DRAKE HAS IT!

[beef78]

yeah, it would be nice if more people would practice catch and release. I think some of the new size limits help keep the numbers up.

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by BrokeLoser

Also, with regard to sharing hot spots. Have you noticed that some of the best fishermen...Iceman (Andy) and (Fiskadoro) Jim Day to name a couple generally have no problem sharing detailed information...ironic?

Since my name was brought up.... I think your confusing general info and bite info. I post information but it is really all just general information, and it's never about particular bites, or wide open bites.

Saying something like: BKR is a good place to fish seabass in the spring, or tanker Cs usually hang in the kelp then actively come out and feed when the water hit's 63 degrees is not the same as saying: "The fish are wide open at La Jolla go there right now!!!" I just do not post info on wide open bites, and I haven't for almost a decade.

I'll be straight up...

For years now I've had a group of kayakers who have and continue to claim that I post wide open bite info online, that I'm somehow going to ruin Kayak fishing by telling everyone the hot bites or spots.

They tell everyone that will listen that I will tell the whole world where to go fish if I get the word it's wide open bite, and I'm guessing that chances are you might of even met some of them.

It's a myth, a lie and it was largely started by one jerk who for some reason has hated my guts since day one, and who's also evidently absolutely insane. I'm guessing this will never stop, and as a result I almost never post reports online. Anywhere!!!

As William Burroughs once said avoid the mentally ill. The last thing I want to give is more fuel for this lunatic's and his crazy lynch mobs fire.

I also do not want them to know where I fish, when I fish, and in general I avoid the bigger well known hot bites that I know they will frequent because I don't even want to run into them on the water. I like fishing alone, I also like to find my own fish anyway, so I don't feel like I have to run to the next hot bite or deal with any resulting drama on the water.

No doubt they see this as a big internet victory, like they personally "shut me up". Well it sounds good, but I never posted that much bite info anyway because like pretty much everyone else that's been around online for a long time,after more then a decade online I know there are things you can and can't post.

I mean honestly if you look for my reports your not going to find that many, and none of them are about wide open bites. The last one I posted here was I think was about SBI a place that most people will never fish because it's fifty miles offshore. I may of posted one Lobster report with No Location!! info this last season, but that is about it.

Read my only La Jolla Yellowtail report posted here. It was about two fish I caught on a bite that already was well known and pretty much over, and it was years ago. Most people don't remember that it was also posted the day the weather changed and the wind came up. I knew from the forecast La Jolla was blown out for a week, there was only a tiny amount of squid still there, so the bite was done. There were no crowds, they were not overfished, I think it was a few weeks before anyone even caught another Yellow or seabass in the area.

So bottom line: I'm not sure why you think I post detailed information about bites online, but the truth is I don't post that kind of info and I'm not likely to do it in anytime in the near future.

[BrokeLoser]

Originally Posted by Fiskadoro

Since my name was brought up.... I think your confusing general info and bite info. I post information but it is really all just general information, and it's never about particular bites, or wide open bites.

Saying something like: BKR is a good place to fish seabass in the spring, or tanker Cs usually hang in the kelp then actively come out and feed when the water hit's 63 degrees is not the same as saying: "The fish are wide open at La Jolla go there right now!!!" I just do not post info on wide open bites, and I haven't for almost a decade.

I'll be straight up...

For years now I've had a group of kayakers who have and continue to claim that I post wide open bite info online, that I'm somehow going to ruin Kayak fishing by telling everyone the hot bites or spots.

They tell everyone that will listen that I will tell the whole world where to go fish if I get the word it's wide open bite, and I'm guessing that chances are you might of even met some of them.

It's a myth, a lie and it was largely started by one jerk who for some reason has hated my guts since day one, and who's also evidently absolutely insane. I'm guessing this will never stop, and as a result I almost never post reports online. Anywhere!!!

As William Burroughs once said avoid the mentally ill. The last thing I want to give is more fuel for this lunatic's and his crazy lynch mobs fire.

I also do not want them to know where I fish, when I fish, and in general I avoid the bigger well known hot bites that I know they will frequent because I don't even want to run into them on the water. I like fishing alone, I also like to find my own fish anyway, so I don't feel like I have to run to the next hot bite or deal with any resulting drama on the water.

No doubt they see this as a big internet victory, like they personally "shut me up". Well it sounds good, but I never posted that much bite info anyway because like pretty much everyone else that's been around online for a long time,after more then a decade online I know there are things you can and can't post.

I mean honestly if you look for my reports your not going to find that many, and none of them are about wide open bites. The last one I posted here was I think was about SBI a place that most people will never fish because it's fifty miles offshore. I may of posted one Lobster report with No Location!! info this last season, but that is about it.

Read my only La Jolla Yellowtail report posted here. It was about two fish I caught on a bite that already was well known and pretty much over, and it was years ago. Most people don't remember that it was also posted the day the weather changed and the wind came up. I knew from the forecast La Jolla was blown out for a week, there was only a tiny amount of squid still there, so the bite was done. There were no crowds, they were not overfished, I think it was a few weeks before anyone even caught another Yellow or seabass in the area.

So bottom line: I'm not sure why you think I post detailed information about bites online, but the truth is I don't post that kind of info and I'm not likely to do it in anytime in the near future.

WOW!
This is what's happening among the fishing community...accuse a guy of being helpful to others and he gets offended...sad.
Jim, you may need to read my post again. I didn't say anything about you giving specific information related to "hot bites" or wide open bites. I said:

"Also, with regard to sharing hot spots. Have you noticed that some of the best fishermen...Iceman (Andy) and (Fiskadoro) Jim Day to name a couple generally have no problem sharing detailed information...ironic?"

I'm not trying to throw you under the bus but I've read your posts on another site where you gave some pretty good information on how and where to fish Catalina. I've used your information and have done well at the island with it...Thanks for that. It's nothing to be ashamed of.