EPIRBS now with reach

[dgax65]

Originally Posted by peguinpower

Thanks for info. So this 121.5 Mhz EPIRB is a locating beacon. It won't trigger SAR but it will get them to find you. You'll still have to make a DISTRESS call and tell them you activated an EPIRB.

A second scenario is that you are already missing and being missed. At which point, the assumption is you dont have propulsion or VHF capability. When SAR goes out to try and find you they'll know you have an EPIRB and home in.

Not bad. I didnt expect to get AAA like service on the water. For 140, its seems to be a decent safety net.

/bing

After 01 February 2009, the 121.5MHz systems will no longer trigger a COSPAS/SARSAT satellite. The spectrum around 121.5MHz is too congested so these Class 1 and 2 EPIRBs are being phased out. The shift to 406MHz EPIRB started in 2000 and the FCC has restricted use of 121.5MHz EPIRB since last year. The 121.5MHz EPIRB are still used as crew man-overboard devices. They sell those Mini 300 locator beacons with handheld direction finding (DF) system for use on larger vessels. I think the CG boats and helos have DF equipment to home on the 121.5/243MHz beacons. A mayday call and a beacon will get a response.

All you ever wanted to know about EPIRB can be found at the USCG Navigation Center site:
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/marcomms/gmdss/epirb.htm

I've wanted to get an EPIRB for several years, but have been too cheap to do so. I used to routinely paddle 3-5 miles out off of Pt. Loma. When I was out there I would think that having an EPIRB would be a good thing. Standing inside West Marine, looking at the ACR display, I would think that I have a better use for $600. Cheap ruled the daylol Now I don't get out enough to justify the cost. I have seen that USCG DF system in operation and I have conviced myself that I'm safe carrying 2 VHF radios.

[cabojohn]

Originally Posted by dgax65

I've wanted to get an EPIRB for several years, but have been too cheap to do so.
I have conviced myself that I'm safe carrying 2 VHF radios.

x2
I carry a back up VHF radio in my emergency / ditch kit along with a second hand held GPS. Piece of mind makes kayak fishing that much more enjoyable.
Some day I will get either a SAT phone or EPIRB...

[peguinpower]

Here is a question. I looked at 406 mhz epirbs and they seem to also emit the 121 freq. Is it right to say that the 406 is to get the message out and the 121 is for locating?

"Transmits on 406 MHz via the COSPAS-SARSAT satellite system with your registered unique, digitally coded distress signal and 121.5 MHz (SAR homing frequency)"

Thanks,

/bing

[dgax65]

I think the plan is to have the satellites monitor only the 406MHz. This provides the signal to the rescue agencies. The 121.5MHz beacons will no longer be monitored from the satellites, but they will still be used by the SAR boats/aircraft to home in on the source. Non-GPS equipped EPRIB will only get the SAR craft so close. They still have to find you once they get in the general area (no easy task, even in good conditions). Even with a LAT/LON from a GPS equipped EPIRB, they still have to find you. The GPS fix might not be 100% accurate or there may be some latency that comes into play. That is why it is so important to have signal devices with you. The electronics can get rescuers close, but you still need to have them spot you. Radio beacons, flares, smoke signals, dye markers, lights, signal mirrors and whistles will help make their search much quicker and easier. High visibility colors and reflective strips on you clothing will also make it easier for SAR forces to find you.

[ElectroMike]

This seems to be a cool alternative to the personal EPRIBS.

http://www.findmespot.com/Home.aspx

[dgax65]

Originally Posted by ElectroMike

This seems to be a cool alternative to the personal EPRIBS.

http://www.findmespot.com/Home.aspx

There are some significant differences between Spot and an EPIRB.

An EPIRB signal will be received by COSPAS/SARSAT satellites and will result in automatic alerts at USCG command centers. EPIRB must be tested and certified for use on the internationally recognized COSPAS system. EPIRB are only designed to trigger SAR response from official government organizations. EPIRB do not allow any communication other than beacon and GPS info. EPIRB receivers on geostationary orbit satellites (GEOSAR) provide global detection capability. If the EPIRB has an onboard GPS or a GPS input, it will also transmit it's position to the GEOSAR. That GPS info will be transmitted to the Mission Control Center (MCC) along with the alert. A network of low-Earth-orbit satellites (LEOSAR) also receive the EPIRB signals. These satellites measure the doppler shift of the EPIRB signal to calculate the transmitter's position. Triangulation of EPIRB signals received by the LEOSAR and ground stations (LUT) can provide accurate position fixes, but it may take up to 2-3 hours depending on EPIRB location and satellite orbital position (that's why an EPIRB with an onboard GPS is worth the money).

EPIRB GEOSAR coverage (alerting only, alert and position if using a EPIRB w/ GPS)


EPIRB LEOSAR and ground station (LUT) coverage


Spot is a COMMERCIAL service. Spot units receive position information from GPS satellites. Spot units use commercial satellites to communicate. The signals from Spot units are received at the commercial GEOS facilities. GEOS will alert the closest Coast Guard or applicable SAR organization. When the Spot unit transmits an alert it automatically transmits it's GPS-derived position. Spot has some features that provide greater flexibility than an EPIRB. An EPIRB activation is the last resort (to be deployed only in life-threatening situations, after a MAYDAY has been sent). Spot is a communications device that can send basic messages. It allows alerting of pre-specified individuals without triggering a SAR response. It allows position info to be transmitted and even has a track history feature (for an additional fee). You can even plot the Spot position/track on Google Earth.

Spot coverage is slightly less than the LEOSAR/LEOLUT coverage of COSPAS/SARSAT system (GEOSAR provides global coverage for EPIRB, but will only provide position info from GPS equipped EPIRB).


Basic service for Spot is $100/yr. West Marine has ACR ResQFix 406MHz PLB (EPIRB) for $600 (on sale for $550 a couple of times a year).

Pros

EPIRB:
Internationally recognized and supported technology and infrastructure; mandated by international agreement and maintained by govenrment agencies.
Robust, dependable technology that is tested and certified
Immediate response by SAR agencies
Worldwide alert and poosition coverage (for EPIRB with GPS)
Most 406 MHz EPIRB also have the 121.5MHz homing beacon for localization

Spot
Lower initial cost (lifecycle cost depends on durability of Spot unit)
Functional flexibility-can send non-distress signals, pos/tracks
GPS-derived position accuracy throughout coverage area.
Smal size

Cons:

EPIRB:
Cost-$600 for EPIRB w/ GPS
Single purpose - distress signal only

Spot
No homing beacon
Two step process to get distress signal response
No internationally recognized standard-just a commercial product
Service depends on a commercial organization-GEOS Alliance
Durability?

[ElectroMike]

Thank you for the information. You just save me countless hours of research!