Giving the Yellowtail a rest....... - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

THE DARKHORSE · 08-20-2008, 11:24 AM

Hardcore Chuck lollollollollollollollol

The guy who told me he was sooooooooooo hardcore, and I couldn't go over 1.75 miles an hour without ever losing you, and headed for the barn by 8:00 a.m. (one morelol). You are a joke.
Everytime I turned around you were "DRIFTING" out of sight (everytime). It was pretty funny though, watching your bow barely above the water line, packed full of ice and crap, good thinking. Was this what first pissed you off, when I reccomended you maybe move the weight to the back? I was very nice about this, constantly waiting for you, constantly

. I remember telling you "maybe this is a hidden blessing, since the possibility of passing the golden paddy in the dark". This was my attempt to stay positive, and make you feel better about being a 200lb anchor attached to me.

Listening to you tell me the bait is fine, when I can hear it freaking out in your tank with a timer. My tank with four times the flow, and you get pissed when I ask to put them in mine. You telling me : "I've never had problems with the kayatank", well now you have. Begging you every 15 minutes to please just check on them, and you getting pissed everytime, pretty funny. As a wingman, I thought we had the same goal: Do everything we could to make it to "the zone" with as much lively bait as possible. You on the other hand let your' tank fill up with dead rolled bait, with the pump turning off and on, good job. when I finally came up to you to save the remaining bait, I was horrafied when I looked in your tank. I don't know if you just like to be cruel to little fish, or were just trying to sabotage the trip, but pretty funny if it wasn't on purpose, good job.

Like any trip, I don't use the sonar/GPS combo unit when navigating the bay or going to the pier, sorry if you feel the need. Pretty easy to just hug the shorline, just like we did. It wasn't exactly pea soup fog, more like a beautiful clear night, with the brightest full moon I ever saw. I was clear to tell you that I wasn't familiar with the point from a kayak, and crossing it in the dark was going to be a challenge. I didn't see the point in both of us using the sonar while crossing a mat of kelp, boy that's risky. I only asked you the depth, so we could maybe pick up the pace if outside the kelp, and never asking our position. Why would I need our position if Point Loma is clearly right behind us (it's HUGE) ? My plan for the trip was to save the battery in case I had to Come back in the dark, I don't need to watch kelp, I'm not that easily ammused (safety first). I realized we got real lucky, as I had to cross the surface kelp with the paddle, and couldn't use the mirage drive on the way in. So save that track, as it's the best one, dumb luck I guess.

As it approached 5 a.m. it became clear we were going to be no where near the nine by sun up. Again, I keep circling back again and again, seeing what I can do to help you. Then I find out you are dragging jigs in the dark, pretty smart lol. I can't believe as a wingman who is always way behind, it seemed a good idea to "hay I'm gonna troll multiple jigs in the dark", seriously dude.

Did it hurt your feelings when I told you days prior that the Tuna were hitting tiny jigs, not your giant Rapala Magnum? Did it bother you when I told you "all you are going to catch was sharks with that"? Sounds like pretty sound advice to me, but hey your super smart, atleast that's what you told me. By the way, what did you catch, smart guy?

My 56 year old wingman from last week never left my side. We kept a safe distance to simply not cross lines, without me having to say a thing. We did everthing we could to save bait, and quit feeding the sharks. I don't know if you caught that, but they weren't the target species? Anyone looking for an awesome wingman, give Smokey a call, the guy is hardcore, never cried, and couldn't be more safe.

I have no idea what you are talking about in reference to me talking crap about your gear. You have a set of Seeker black steele rods and 5 Avets, sounds good to me.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if you couldn't see a Marlin jumping, not in the least. You were no where near me when that happened (MORE LIES). I started screaming at you minutes later as you were coming into screaming range (still far off, so don't lie), as I would like to be warned of such a sighting. I've caught plenty of Marlin, and am a good judge of size, and know how to catch them. Which is why I didn't put a bait in the water with the light Tuna line. This is when I finally turned on the sonar/GPS combo unit, and marked the spot, as I didn't see a need one second sooner. Not to mention this is my fourth sonar/GPS combo unit, and they are simple to use by the way (more lies). By the way Chuck, quite a few Marlin are taken from that area, so "don't try to act like you have any idea what you are talking about" (ask around). My favorite quote from you was: "well you should be hooked up by now, if you saw a marlin".lol I'm gonna write that one down, and tell it to every salty captain I see, good one, smart guy.

As far as the PFD, I have what is legally required by law, and have a bad habit of being very comfortable in a kayak without wearing one, sorry. I surf 6 hour sessions with no problem and would never have a problem swimming a couple of miles, never saw the need fishing within eye-sight of the kelp in La Jolla, sorry. I would never tell anyone a PFD isn't a good idea, and would reccomend they wear it at all times, so again you lost me on the safe issue.

Yes, I've been looking at Epirbs, VHF with internal GPs, everyday as a matter of fact, and didn't want to rush into a cheapy radio, sorry. I would prefer to buy the best, and have piece of mind for trips like this in the future. The part of me not being safe is pretty funny though, as I've never gone inshore/offshore without a wingman with a radio, and a bilge-pump. You assured me you had tons of lights, and we had multiple headlights and a giant spotlight each. Yet by 8:00 a.m a few miles off the point, you said "this isn't safe", I'm outa here.

I would love to see your gps track from your' solo trip to the 9 mile bank, fourteen miles out, since you never went over 1.7 miles an hour, and never made it past a few miles last time, and brilliant idea going solo, REAL SAFE. One morelol

THE ONLY THING I DID THAT WASN'T SAFE WAS TO BRING THE WORST WINGMAN IN THE WORLD. HARDCORE CHUCK

Dan · 08-20-2008, 12:51 PM

Congrats on the YFT Chuck!!

Corey · 08-20-2008, 12:53 PM

dos ballenas · 08-20-2008, 01:36 PM

Start by removing the sod and storing it on a plastic tarp. Then, rough out the tree hole with a pointed shovel.

Next lay a shovel or rake handle across the entire hole and measure down from it to get an accurate depth measurement. once deep enough to bury your arrogance climb in and begin to think things over,

add enough water to drown, and see what blossums...

yft you say, nice

Zed · 08-20-2008, 01:47 PM

Well, this took a turn.

Nice work handyman! You da man! Guess you're likin' the new boat?
You rode in CO, you know those saddle-sores go away, right? Congratz!

2:45 PM 08/20/08
You KNOW the pic request is in. You get 72hrs.

dorado50 · 08-20-2008, 02:02 PM

At 56 myself ,I would and could make this journey in a heartbeat. I would bring pleanty of water, a pfd, compass, and a flashlight. An experienced seaman (such as Josh is) knows about wind and currents, swell directions,drift , etc...and even star navigation thus increasing the odds of survival. With this needed knowledge and the above items survival is an afterthought, I want that yft!!

ps. there are two sides to every story than theres the truth, I think I know it. My quote for the day " take risks not to escape life but to prevent life from escaping"....

Handymansd · 08-20-2008, 02:27 PM

Ask and ye shall receive:

I also have the point to point log to show speeds depth time, true heading, etc. I do not need to lie, Josh. This is supposed to be something people do for fun. This is not the first time you have had really nasty things to say to people on this board. I had given you the benefit of not having heard these things from you myself and I base my judgments of people on my own personal experiences with them. This time I have to say I was way wrong.I am not the greatest fisherman, nor the greatest paddler / peddler. Nor even the best fish story teller, I am guilty of exaggerating the facts sometimes as I think we all are to some degree. But I have caught some big fish I am proud of, I go on many mothership and guided trips, I spend a very large amount of money for this hobby. I enjoy the time I do get to spend on the water; as it is at the cost of time with my family. Having you around me is unfortunate, as I try to surround myself with people I can trust.

Having said that, I will no longer give any business directly or indirectly to your "Sponser", Fastlane Sailing, as I will not support anything that has the non-family values attached to it that your attitude does. They could have gotten their value better for sponsoring a "no fish team" member!

Good luck with the rest of your fishing endeavors, and I hope they don't get anyone hurt! So please... talk crap, mouth off, post away, whatever... but stay away from me on the water or off with that attitude. 'nough said

dgax65 · 08-20-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Handymansd

Ask and ye shall receive:

Having said that, I will no longer give any business directly or indirectly to your "Sponser", Fastlane Sailing, as I will not support anything that has the non-family values attached to it that your attitude does. They could have gotten their value better for sponsoring a "no fish team" member!

WTF? How did I get dragged into this? I'd be offended if I wasn't so stoked about the possibility of a sponsorship.lol oh yeah

esdees · 08-20-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dgax65

WTF? How did I get dragged into this? I'd be offended if I wasn't so stoked about the possibility of a sponsorship.lol oh yeah

"no fish team" not "team no fish." They're actually out of Normandy. Let the rivalry begin!

Nice GPS trail, Chuck!

reddog · 08-20-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Corey

lollollollollollollol

08-20-2008, 11:24 AM	#1
THE DARKHORSE Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Seven minutes from the launch! Posts: 987	Oh boy, where do I start? Hardcore Chuck lollollollollollollollol The guy who told me he was sooooooooooo hardcore, and I couldn't go over 1.75 miles an hour without ever losing you, and headed for the barn by 8:00 a.m. (one morelol). You are a joke. Everytime I turned around you were "DRIFTING" out of sight (everytime). It was pretty funny though, watching your bow barely above the water line, packed full of ice and crap, good thinking. Was this what first pissed you off, when I reccomended you maybe move the weight to the back? I was very nice about this, constantly waiting for you, constantly. I remember telling you "maybe this is a hidden blessing, since the possibility of passing the golden paddy in the dark". This was my attempt to stay positive, and make you feel better about being a 200lb anchor attached to me. Listening to you tell me the bait is fine, when I can hear it freaking out in your tank with a timer. My tank with four times the flow, and you get pissed when I ask to put them in mine. You telling me : "I've never had problems with the kayatank", well now you have. Begging you every 15 minutes to please just check on them, and you getting pissed everytime, pretty funny. As a wingman, I thought we had the same goal: Do everything we could to make it to "the zone" with as much lively bait as possible. You on the other hand let your' tank fill up with dead rolled bait, with the pump turning off and on, good job. when I finally came up to you to save the remaining bait, I was horrafied when I looked in your tank. I don't know if you just like to be cruel to little fish, or were just trying to sabotage the trip, but pretty funny if it wasn't on purpose, good job. Like any trip, I don't use the sonar/GPS combo unit when navigating the bay or going to the pier, sorry if you feel the need. Pretty easy to just hug the shorline, just like we did. It wasn't exactly pea soup fog, more like a beautiful clear night, with the brightest full moon I ever saw. I was clear to tell you that I wasn't familiar with the point from a kayak, and crossing it in the dark was going to be a challenge. I didn't see the point in both of us using the sonar while crossing a mat of kelp, boy that's risky. I only asked you the depth, so we could maybe pick up the pace if outside the kelp, and never asking our position. Why would I need our position if Point Loma is clearly right behind us (it's HUGE) ? My plan for the trip was to save the battery in case I had to Come back in the dark, I don't need to watch kelp, I'm not that easily ammused (safety first). I realized we got real lucky, as I had to cross the surface kelp with the paddle, and couldn't use the mirage drive on the way in. So save that track, as it's the best one, dumb luck I guess. As it approached 5 a.m. it became clear we were going to be no where near the nine by sun up. Again, I keep circling back again and again, seeing what I can do to help you. Then I find out you are dragging jigs in the dark, pretty smart lol. I can't believe as a wingman who is always way behind, it seemed a good idea to "hay I'm gonna troll multiple jigs in the dark", seriously dude. Did it hurt your feelings when I told you days prior that the Tuna were hitting tiny jigs, not your giant Rapala Magnum? Did it bother you when I told you "all you are going to catch was sharks with that"? Sounds like pretty sound advice to me, but hey your super smart, atleast that's what you told me. By the way, what did you catch, smart guy? My 56 year old wingman from last week never left my side. We kept a safe distance to simply not cross lines, without me having to say a thing. We did everthing we could to save bait, and quit feeding the sharks. I don't know if you caught that, but they weren't the target species? Anyone looking for an awesome wingman, give Smokey a call, the guy is hardcore, never cried, and couldn't be more safe. I have no idea what you are talking about in reference to me talking crap about your gear. You have a set of Seeker black steele rods and 5 Avets, sounds good to me. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if you couldn't see a Marlin jumping, not in the least. You were no where near me when that happened (MORE LIES). I started screaming at you minutes later as you were coming into screaming range (still far off, so don't lie), as I would like to be warned of such a sighting. I've caught plenty of Marlin, and am a good judge of size, and know how to catch them. Which is why I didn't put a bait in the water with the light Tuna line. This is when I finally turned on the sonar/GPS combo unit, and marked the spot, as I didn't see a need one second sooner. Not to mention this is my fourth sonar/GPS combo unit, and they are simple to use by the way (more lies). By the way Chuck, quite a few Marlin are taken from that area, so "don't try to act like you have any idea what you are talking about" (ask around). My favorite quote from you was: "well you should be hooked up by now, if you saw a marlin".lol I'm gonna write that one down, and tell it to every salty captain I see, good one, smart guy. As far as the PFD, I have what is legally required by law, and have a bad habit of being very comfortable in a kayak without wearing one, sorry. I surf 6 hour sessions with no problem and would never have a problem swimming a couple of miles, never saw the need fishing within eye-sight of the kelp in La Jolla, sorry. I would never tell anyone a PFD isn't a good idea, and would reccomend they wear it at all times, so again you lost me on the safe issue. Yes, I've been looking at Epirbs, VHF with internal GPs, everyday as a matter of fact, and didn't want to rush into a cheapy radio, sorry. I would prefer to buy the best, and have piece of mind for trips like this in the future. The part of me not being safe is pretty funny though, as I've never gone inshore/offshore without a wingman with a radio, and a bilge-pump. You assured me you had tons of lights, and we had multiple headlights and a giant spotlight each. Yet by 8:00 a.m a few miles off the point, you said "this isn't safe", I'm outa here. I would love to see your gps track from your' solo trip to the 9 mile bank, fourteen miles out, since you never went over 1.7 miles an hour, and never made it past a few miles last time, and brilliant idea going solo, REAL SAFE. One morelol THE ONLY THING I DID THAT WASN'T SAFE WAS TO BRING THE WORST WINGMAN IN THE WORLD. HARDCORE CHUCK __________________ Last edited by THE DARKHORSE; 08-21-2008 at 10:25 AM.

08-20-2008, 12:53 PM	#3
Corey Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: ...waaaay out there Posts: 794	__________________

08-20-2008, 01:36 PM	#4
dos ballenas Vampyroteuthis infernalis Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 585	Start by removing the sod and storing it on a plastic tarp. Then, rough out the tree hole with a pointed shovel. Next lay a shovel or rake handle across the entire hole and measure down from it to get an accurate depth measurement. once deep enough to bury your arrogance climb in and begin to think things over, add enough water to drown, and see what blossums... yft you say, nice Attached Images __________________ ____________________________________________

08-20-2008, 12:51 PM	#2
Dan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,053	Congrats on the YFT Chuck!!

08-20-2008, 01:47 PM	#5
Zed BANNED Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: W of 5 Posts: 1,265	Well, this took a turn. Nice work handyman! You da man! Guess you're likin' the new boat? You rode in CO, you know those saddle-sores go away, right? Congratz! 2:45 PM 08/20/08 You KNOW the pic request is in. You get 72hrs.

08-20-2008, 02:02 PM	#6
dorado50 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: La Jolla Shores Posts: 1,626	At 56 myself ,I would and could make this journey in a heartbeat. I would bring pleanty of water, a pfd, compass, and a flashlight. An experienced seaman (such as Josh is) knows about wind and currents, swell directions,drift , etc...and even star navigation thus increasing the odds of survival. With this needed knowledge and the above items survival is an afterthought, I want that yft!! ps. there are two sides to every story than theres the truth, I think I know it. My quote for the day " take risks not to escape life but to prevent life from escaping"....

08-20-2008, 02:27 PM	#7
Handymansd Ancient Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: On The Water Posts: 935	Ask and ye shall receive: I also have the point to point log to show speeds depth time, true heading, etc. I do not need to lie, Josh. This is supposed to be something people do for fun. This is not the first time you have had really nasty things to say to people on this board. I had given you the benefit of not having heard these things from you myself and I base my judgments of people on my own personal experiences with them. This time I have to say I was way wrong.I am not the greatest fisherman, nor the greatest paddler / peddler. Nor even the best fish story teller, I am guilty of exaggerating the facts sometimes as I think we all are to some degree. But I have caught some big fish I am proud of, I go on many mothership and guided trips, I spend a very large amount of money for this hobby. I enjoy the time I do get to spend on the water; as it is at the cost of time with my family. Having you around me is unfortunate, as I try to surround myself with people I can trust. Having said that, I will no longer give any business directly or indirectly to your "Sponser", Fastlane Sailing, as I will not support anything that has the non-family values attached to it that your attitude does. They could have gotten their value better for sponsoring a "no fish team" member! Good luck with the rest of your fishing endeavors, and I hope they don't get anyone hurt! So please... talk crap, mouth off, post away, whatever... but stay away from me on the water or off with that attitude. 'nough said