A desperate MLPA Plea!! - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Holy Mackerel · 05-29-2009, 02:27 PM

C'mon Guys n Gals, next year, there will no longer be any of these threads, just a decision we need to live with, so let's voice our opinion on the decision making process!!

1. Chris
2. Moyer
3. Zen
4. Tyler
5. Corey
6. Fallon
7. Steve Green
8. fryguy?
9. Kurt
10. Charles
11. Grego
12. Steveooo (Probably)
13. Buttchaser
14. Trevor
15. Joy
16. Joy's son
17. T-man
18. Kiyo
19. Jim Sammons
20. Dan
21. Cabo John (pending work)

June 4th, 2009
9:40AM Public Comment
Sheraton Gateway Los Angeles Hotel *
6101 West Century Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90045

Holy Mackerel · 05-29-2009, 07:24 PM

Bump!! My Supercrew is full of 4 La Jolla anglers!! Fill up your vehicle!

zenspearo · 05-29-2009, 09:27 PM

He he...

21 spearos and counting.... and no shenanigan (unlike the MLPA votes

).

A few more spearos and I'm ready for that Sapporo Premium, Mr. Fiero.

http://www.spearboard.com/showthread.php?t=85041

(This is beside the point but 34 BloodyDeckers signed up so far.

)

http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/ma...-all-talk.html

There will be some firework on June 4th. They screwed up this time if they think they can just bully consumptives over.

'Cuda · 06-01-2009, 02:25 AM

Since the meeting is at 9:40, should we set a time to meet and stategize?

FISHIONADO · 06-01-2009, 06:28 AM

I can't go this time. It was great seeing so many of you at the Santa Ana meeting last month. From what I observed I have a few recommendations.

Manage your emotion, some people (not kayakers) came across as angry, the audience doesn't hear the message of the angry person. Angry people are fun to watch but no ones takes them serious.

Say something like "I'm an environmetalist, I care more about this ecosystem than most people".

Don't show off any big fish you caught recently, especially sharks.

Stay away from "catch and release" justifications. Many people including myself don't understand why people get joy dominating and ripping lips of cute little fishies just to throw them back in the water. "Sustainable consumption" based on DFG monitoring may be more appropriate. YMMV on this one.

Holy Mackerel · 06-01-2009, 06:42 AM

Dave is correct, we need to convey our message of contempt, but in an appropriate manner.

Cuda, a few of us will help coordinate the public speaking, along with Joe aka Zenspearo.

1. Chris
2. Moyer
3. Tyler
4. Corey
5. Fallon
6. Steve Green
7. fryguy?
8. Kurt
9. Charles
10. Grego
11. Steveooo (Probably)
12. Buttchaser
13. Trevor
14. Joy
15. Joy's son
16. T-man
17. Kiyo
18. Jim Sammons
19. Dan
20. Cabo John (pending work)
21. James
22. Herbo
23. Habenero
24. Billy V.
25. Don
26. Josh
27. Willy

and more from Baytuber site!!

June 4th, 2009
9:40AM Public Comment
Sheraton Gateway Los Angeles Hotel *
6101 West Century Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90045

Willy · 06-01-2009, 06:48 AM

I understand the public comment section is at 9.40, but what time does the entrie event begin, and are we planning a specific time to meet beforehand?

By the way, kudos to those taking the lead on this and organizing the troops.

Willy

C. Cary · 06-01-2009, 07:33 AM

I can't make the meeting this week. I was at the Santa Ana one. It wa very enlightening to attend. I am by no means a great public speaker and was able to get up and put in my opinion. Don't let the speaking part keep you from attending. You need to let your voice be heard. Speak from the heart, it doesn't need to be the best speech we all have ever heard. But be heard, don't regret it later.

C. Cary

Holy Mackerel · 06-01-2009, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willy

I understand the public comment section is at 9.40, but what time does the entrie event begin, and are we planning a specific time to meet beforehand?

By the way, kudos to those taking the lead on this and organizing the troops.

Willy

I'd try to get there by 8AM, so you can fill out a card to speak, or cede your time!

Thank you for attending participating!

We have a lot of people stepping up here, but there are still hiding behind their keyboards rationalizing why they can't make it, work, etc. This process is 2/3 over, and I have said before unless you have surgery, you must attend. Work is not an excuse, many of us on this list, have work obligations, but are attending anyway.

It is the 4th quarter, 2 mins left, are you gonna punt? or punch that F-in ball in the endzone!!!

Billy V · 06-01-2009, 06:42 PM

A message from BloodyDecks

Let make the most of this.

Guys and gals,

The MLPA Implementation Team has double-crossed fishermen and other consumptives with their blatant bias for the anti-fishing faction. Ed Zieralski, writer for San Diego Tribune called it “Betrayal at its worst in MLPA process.” Paul Leibowitz, writer for Western Outdoor News, called it “Trust Betrayed.”

These actions gravely endanger the right to fish in Southern California. The next Blue Ribbon Task Force (BRTF) meeting is this Thursday, June 4th, 2009, 9:30AM at the Sheraton Gateway Los Angeles Hotel, 6101 West Century Boulevard, Los Angeles, CA. Fishermen and ocean sportsmen of all stripes are recognizing that unless there is a strong public response with the BRTF, the future of fishing in Southern California is doomed due to the fraudulent manner with which this process is being rammed down fishermen’s throats.

Bloodydeckers are mobilizing along with other consumptive communities to respond. We need to let the BRTF know what we think about the voting shenanigan that allows the anti-fishing map External C to continue after it was voted out by the Regional Stake Holders. We need to go and press our concerns regarding the extreme maps again. Keep pushing for the moderate position to keep our fishing areas open. Keep pushing for minimum closures instead of the extreme and expansive closures proposed by the anti-fishing groups. You can also speak about how closing or keeping a specific area open to fishing will affect you, your family, and friends economically and/or recreationally.

While it may seem tedious to go all the way to LA to attend this meeting, especially during a weekday, your attendance matters a great deal. For example, your attendance and speaking out on May 19th made a tremendous difference and is widely credited with helping to swing the tide in our favor. The fact that the anti-fishing crowd has to resort to voting shenanigans, in order for the extremist's External C map to stay alive, should tell you that your presence and testimony do have a tremendous effect.

Keep in mind that these are the very last chances we have to address the BRTF in this MLPA process. They are the decision makers--the next one is in July and then it's into October. There is a meeting late October but the reality is this one and the July meeting are going to be it for addressing these important decision makers.

Also, while you may feel righteously indignant, please keep in mind to be courteous but firm and professional. Don't blow your top; don't act unprofessional; don't use curse words. Remember that the BRTF is the decision makers in this process, and their decision will affect where you can or cannot fish next year.

The public speaking session starts at 9:40AM but please be present by 9AM at the latest. Comment cards should be filled out and handed in before 9:00 AM as they may limit comments to only those cards received by that time.

Hope to see you there Bloodydeckers!!!

Click here for more info about the meeting location and time.
Thursday, June 4, 2009 9:30 a.m.
Sheraton Gateway Los Angeles Hotel *
6101 West Century Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90045

Holy Mackerel · 06-02-2009, 06:44 AM

1. Chris
2. Moyer
3. Tyler
4. Corey
5. Fallon
6. Steve Green
7. fryguy?
8. Kurt
9. Charles
10. Grego
11. Steveooo (Probably)
12. Buttchaser
13. Trevor
14. Joy
15. Joy's son
16. T-man
17. Kiyo
18. Jim Sammons
19. Dan
20. Cabo John (pending work)
21. James
22. Herbo
23. Habenero
24. Billy V.
25. Don
26. Josh
27. Willy
28. Greenscales
29. Drew
30. Steamroll

Hey Zenspearo.... The Baytuber list...

A couple repeats, but some more new names!

1. chris
2. Kiyo
3. Tattuna
4. Grego
5. buttchaser
6. Gabe
7. bpcode3
8. shortstack
9. Pating
10. Landwhale
11. Kelpangler
12. So-Cal-Shaggy_1
13. buttales
14. dpliska
15. Ron Pascual
16. Ed Smith
17. Kevin Swenson
18. cabo John
19. Jeff Krieger
20. Nephy Nunez
21. Yakrider
22. Andy A.
23. dirthead
24. Rock

ratdog · 06-03-2009, 08:09 AM

I will be there also, for sure.

05-29-2009, 09:27 PM	#3
zenspearo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 167	He he... 21 spearos and counting.... and no shenanigan (unlike the MLPA votes). A few more spearos and I'm ready for that Sapporo Premium, Mr. Fiero. http://www.spearboard.com/showthread.php?t=85041 (This is beside the point but 34 BloodyDeckers signed up so far. ) http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/ma...-all-talk.html There will be some firework on June 4th. They screwed up this time if they think they can just bully consumptives over. __________________ A spearo, but we are in this MLPA mess together

06-01-2009, 06:42 PM	#10
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	A message from BloodyDecks Let make the most of this. Guys and gals, The MLPA Implementation Team has double-crossed fishermen and other consumptives with their blatant bias for the anti-fishing faction. Ed Zieralski, writer for San Diego Tribune called it “Betrayal at its worst in MLPA process.” Paul Leibowitz, writer for Western Outdoor News, called it “Trust Betrayed.” These actions gravely endanger the right to fish in Southern California. The next Blue Ribbon Task Force (BRTF) meeting is this Thursday, June 4th, 2009, 9:30AM at the Sheraton Gateway Los Angeles Hotel, 6101 West Century Boulevard, Los Angeles, CA. Fishermen and ocean sportsmen of all stripes are recognizing that unless there is a strong public response with the BRTF, the future of fishing in Southern California is doomed due to the fraudulent manner with which this process is being rammed down fishermen’s throats. Bloodydeckers are mobilizing along with other consumptive communities to respond. We need to let the BRTF know what we think about the voting shenanigan that allows the anti-fishing map External C to continue after it was voted out by the Regional Stake Holders. We need to go and press our concerns regarding the extreme maps again. Keep pushing for the moderate position to keep our fishing areas open. Keep pushing for minimum closures instead of the extreme and expansive closures proposed by the anti-fishing groups. You can also speak about how closing or keeping a specific area open to fishing will affect you, your family, and friends economically and/or recreationally. While it may seem tedious to go all the way to LA to attend this meeting, especially during a weekday, your attendance matters a great deal. For example, your attendance and speaking out on May 19th made a tremendous difference and is widely credited with helping to swing the tide in our favor. The fact that the anti-fishing crowd has to resort to voting shenanigans, in order for the extremist's External C map to stay alive, should tell you that your presence and testimony do have a tremendous effect. Keep in mind that these are the very last chances we have to address the BRTF in this MLPA process. They are the decision makers--the next one is in July and then it's into October. There is a meeting late October but the reality is this one and the July meeting are going to be it for addressing these important decision makers. Also, while you may feel righteously indignant, please keep in mind to be courteous but firm and professional. Don't blow your top; don't act unprofessional; don't use curse words. Remember that the BRTF is the decision makers in this process, and their decision will affect where you can or cannot fish next year. The public speaking session starts at 9:40AM but please be present by 9AM at the latest. Comment cards should be filled out and handed in before 9:00 AM as they may limit comments to only those cards received by that time. Hope to see you there Bloodydeckers!!! Click here for more info about the meeting location and time. Thursday, June 4, 2009 9:30 a.m. Sheraton Gateway Los Angeles Hotel * 6101 West Century Boulevard Los Angeles, CA 90045 Last edited by Billy V; 06-01-2009 at 07:27 PM.

06-02-2009, 06:44 AM	#11
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	1. Chris 2. Moyer 3. Tyler 4. Corey 5. Fallon 6. Steve Green 7. fryguy? 8. Kurt 9. Charles 10. Grego 11. Steveooo (Probably) 12. Buttchaser 13. Trevor 14. Joy 15. Joy's son 16. T-man 17. Kiyo 18. Jim Sammons 19. Dan 20. Cabo John (pending work) 21. James 22. Herbo 23. Habenero 24. Billy V. 25. Don 26. Josh 27. Willy 28. Greenscales 29. Drew 30. Steamroll Hey Zenspearo.... The Baytuber list... A couple repeats, but some more new names! 1. chris 2. Kiyo 3. Tattuna 4. Grego 5. buttchaser 6. Gabe 7. bpcode3 8. shortstack 9. Pating 10. Landwhale 11. Kelpangler 12. So-Cal-Shaggy_1 13. buttales 14. dpliska 15. Ron Pascual 16. Ed Smith 17. Kevin Swenson 18. cabo John 19. Jeff Krieger 20. Nephy Nunez 21. Yakrider 22. Andy A. 23. dirthead 24. Rock Last edited by Holy Mackerel; 06-02-2009 at 07:17 AM.

05-29-2009, 02:27 PM	#1
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	C'mon Guys n Gals, next year, there will no longer be any of these threads, just a decision we need to live with, so let's voice our opinion on the decision making process!! 1. Chris 2. Moyer 3. Zen 4. Tyler 5. Corey 6. Fallon 7. Steve Green 8. fryguy? 9. Kurt 10. Charles 11. Grego 12. Steveooo (Probably) 13. Buttchaser 14. Trevor 15. Joy 16. Joy's son 17. T-man 18. Kiyo 19. Jim Sammons 20. Dan 21. Cabo John (pending work) June 4th, 2009 9:40AM Public Comment Sheraton Gateway Los Angeles Hotel * 6101 West Century Boulevard Los Angeles, CA 90045

05-29-2009, 07:24 PM	#2
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	Bump!! My Supercrew is full of 4 La Jolla anglers!! Fill up your vehicle!

06-01-2009, 02:25 AM	#4
'Cuda Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 224	Since the meeting is at 9:40, should we set a time to meet and stategize?

06-01-2009, 06:28 AM	#5
FISHIONADO Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 698	I can't go this time. It was great seeing so many of you at the Santa Ana meeting last month. From what I observed I have a few recommendations. Manage your emotion, some people (not kayakers) came across as angry, the audience doesn't hear the message of the angry person. Angry people are fun to watch but no ones takes them serious. Say something like "I'm an environmetalist, I care more about this ecosystem than most people". Don't show off any big fish you caught recently, especially sharks. Stay away from "catch and release" justifications. Many people including myself don't understand why people get joy dominating and ripping lips of cute little fishies just to throw them back in the water. "Sustainable consumption" based on DFG monitoring may be more appropriate. YMMV on this one.

06-01-2009, 06:42 AM	#6
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	Dave is correct, we need to convey our message of contempt, but in an appropriate manner. Cuda, a few of us will help coordinate the public speaking, along with Joe aka Zenspearo. 1. Chris 2. Moyer 3. Tyler 4. Corey 5. Fallon 6. Steve Green 7. fryguy? 8. Kurt 9. Charles 10. Grego 11. Steveooo (Probably) 12. Buttchaser 13. Trevor 14. Joy 15. Joy's son 16. T-man 17. Kiyo 18. Jim Sammons 19. Dan 20. Cabo John (pending work) 21. James 22. Herbo 23. Habenero 24. Billy V. 25. Don 26. Josh 27. Willy and more from Baytuber site!! June 4th, 2009 9:40AM Public Comment Sheraton Gateway Los Angeles Hotel * 6101 West Century Boulevard Los Angeles, CA 90045

06-01-2009, 06:48 AM	#7
Willy Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: La Jolla Posts: 189	I understand the public comment section is at 9.40, but what time does the entrie event begin, and are we planning a specific time to meet beforehand? By the way, kudos to those taking the lead on this and organizing the troops. Willy

06-01-2009, 07:33 AM	#8
C. Cary Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Carmel Valley Posts: 105	I can't make the meeting this week. I was at the Santa Ana one. It wa very enlightening to attend. I am by no means a great public speaker and was able to get up and put in my opinion. Don't let the speaking part keep you from attending. You need to let your voice be heard. Speak from the heart, it doesn't need to be the best speech we all have ever heard. But be heard, don't regret it later. C. Cary

06-03-2009, 08:09 AM	#12
ratdog Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 424	I will be there also, for sure.