Independence Day Celebration and DFG & the MLPA - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Oolie · 07-07-2010, 02:59 PM

not to rag on you or anything, but while i think your ideas are fair, i don't think a good year of fishing represents the rebound of a population, it only shows that there are alot of fish that are easily being able to be taken.

it doesn't mean that the population has exploded.

yes i am an enviro, yes i am a fisherman, they are one and the same in most cases.

no i am not an extremist.

Nic D · 07-07-2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Oolie

not to rag on you or anything, but while i think your ideas are fair, i don't think a good year of fishing represents the rebound of a population, it only shows that there are alot of fish that are easily being able to be taken.

it doesn't mean that the population has exploded.

yes i am an enviro, yes i am a fisherman, they are one and the same in most cases.

no i am not an extremist.

Hey Oolie, this is Kurt's thread. If you want to open a discussion in another thread, have at it brotha. Lets not thread jack each other.

-nic

Oolie · 07-07-2010, 03:23 PM

my apologies if i came off that way.

robmandel · 07-07-2010, 07:54 PM

Kurt, I hear ya. However, we pushed management but the BRTF and MLPAI was specifically tasked with closures. So it didn't matter. PAL can give you more and better details but I know he's burnt and probably doesn't want to rehash all that again. I don't blame him either, after all he did.

Yes, management is THE way to go, but it isn't what it was all about. It was a corrupt process from the beginning and it was done precisely to get closures. sound practices were never a consideration. For one, all fishing, recreational AND commercial were lumped together. new criteria were created and imposed, science was completely ignored (for instance the actual (in)effectiveness of MPA's), and the outcome was basically a done deal from the start.

right now we have the scoping hearings (which I'm not sure what they do) an a pending lawsuit. plus the whole funding issue, Sen. Dutton has been hitting that one big.

cowboybill · 07-08-2010, 09:55 AM

Hey Kurtfish, I think you have logical points, but I am not sure if logic ever really was on the table with the MLPA guys....

If there is a viable meeting, I will do my best to be there...

Give your son a big Hi five (or whatever they do nowdays!) for getting up and speaking before a crowd for what he believes in!!....and you for raising him that way!

Reading Robmandels post reminded me of fighting The Desert Protection act back in the 80s....

You come to realize you are not fighting on a level field, and the umps are in the pockets of the other team....Hard to keep up the good fight...

The whole global warming fight is like this on a Macro scale....

Cowboybill

THE DARKHORSE · 07-08-2010, 01:36 PM

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"You come to realize you are not fighting on a level field, and the umps are in the pockets of the other team....Hard to keep up the good fight..."

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You got that right!

The good fight left a bitter taste in my mouth---that's for sure. And since I've had an up close, opportunity (I'm blessed) to watch the fishing get better each year---it should be obvious that the numbers of fish have been improving each year (since the gill-net ban). Regardless of Pelagic migration, and varying numbers of fish from season to season---the ban on gill-nets was the biggest hurdle of our lifetime (until this propaganda driven, complete B.S. otherwise known as the MLPA). You'd think it would be hard to argue this point, but some people just like to argue---apparently, even when they know they're wrong!

And it makes perfect sense---close all the best fishing spots to recreational anglers while the stock numbers of fish go through the roof--- Brilliant!

07-08-2010, 09:55 AM	#5
cowboybill Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Santee, CA Posts: 103	Nice suit! Hey Kurtfish, I think you have logical points, but I am not sure if logic ever really was on the table with the MLPA guys.... If there is a viable meeting, I will do my best to be there... Give your son a big Hi five (or whatever they do nowdays!) for getting up and speaking before a crowd for what he believes in!!....and you for raising him that way! Reading Robmandels post reminded me of fighting The Desert Protection act back in the 80s.... You come to realize you are not fighting on a level field, and the umps are in the pockets of the other team....Hard to keep up the good fight... The whole global warming fight is like this on a Macro scale.... Cowboybill

07-08-2010, 01:36 PM	#6
THE DARKHORSE Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Seven minutes from the launch! Posts: 987	[ "You come to realize you are not fighting on a level field, and the umps are in the pockets of the other team....Hard to keep up the good fight..." [/QUOTE] You got that right! The good fight left a bitter taste in my mouth---that's for sure. And since I've had an up close, opportunity (I'm blessed) to watch the fishing get better each year---it should be obvious that the numbers of fish have been improving each year (since the gill-net ban). Regardless of Pelagic migration, and varying numbers of fish from season to season---the ban on gill-nets was the biggest hurdle of our lifetime (until this propaganda driven, complete B.S. otherwise known as the MLPA). You'd think it would be hard to argue this point, but some people just like to argue---apparently, even when they know they're wrong! And it makes perfect sense---close all the best fishing spots to recreational anglers while the stock numbers of fish go through the roof--- Brilliant! __________________

07-07-2010, 07:54 PM	#4
robmandel Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 186	Kurt, I hear ya. However, we pushed management but the BRTF and MLPAI was specifically tasked with closures. So it didn't matter. PAL can give you more and better details but I know he's burnt and probably doesn't want to rehash all that again. I don't blame him either, after all he did. Yes, management is THE way to go, but it isn't what it was all about. It was a corrupt process from the beginning and it was done precisely to get closures. sound practices were never a consideration. For one, all fishing, recreational AND commercial were lumped together. new criteria were created and imposed, science was completely ignored (for instance the actual (in)effectiveness of MPA's), and the outcome was basically a done deal from the start. right now we have the scoping hearings (which I'm not sure what they do) an a pending lawsuit. plus the whole funding issue, Sen. Dutton has been hitting that one big.