maiden Voyage 9-2-10 - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

dgax65 · 09-03-2010, 01:31 PM

Scuppers are the most vulnerable points on a kayak. Why you would design/sell wheels that mount through the scuppers is beyond me. I've heard of too many people whose wheels have damaged their scuppers and they wind up bailing out or swimming. Get a cart that spreads the weight out over a large area of the hull. There is much less chance of damage. I'm glad you were prepared and didn't have to swim.

bmercury · 09-04-2010, 01:13 AM

they really are a weak point. Have read about a lot of failures from carts or stake out poles going through the scuppers.

bigbarrels · 09-04-2010, 06:53 AM

Glad to see you are OK and were carrying a sump pump and actually able to locate it and use it. To not carry a sump pump out there is playing with some serious fire. I was screwed because I couldn't reach my sump pump. If you read through the link posted by Jim there was some really cool ways that people attach their sump pumps to their kayaks. Better luck on the fishing the next time OTW!

Bob, as far as my gear, I was extremely lucky and got a complete replacement of all gear for around $325.00. Andy (Iceman) at OEX was able to work a deal out for me with Malibu for a Malibu X-13 (no sit inside bait tank)for around $325.00. I believe it was you and one other person on BWE mentioned that I should check my home owners/renters insurance. My renters insurance covered everything that was on or attached to the kayak, just not the kayak. So after I was done with my list of everything I lost I was cut a check for around $3700.00 (would of been $4200.00 but there was a $500.00 deductible). The XFActor was repaired by Andy at OEX and he did an amazing repair job! However after hearing my wife complain about three kayaks in my single car garage I ended up scrappping the XFActor after stripping all the gear and accessories off it.

Thankfully no swim to Point Loma X2. People need to carry and make sure that can access all their safety gear OTW and do frequent checks on their kayaks to avoid a swim......when the stuff is hitting the fan OTW it happens extremely quick......just my .02

tunaseeker · 09-04-2010, 07:45 AM

Big Barrels,

I too almost could not reach the pump. It got stuck at the bow around the sail post and I could not get it out, pulled like hell! and finally it freed up, whoo. I now mout it on my rear basket so I can reach it much easier and will install an electric pump in the bottom too. That was no fun out there and your story was absolutley scary! Glad you are ok too!

See ya OTW
Todd

Jim Sammons LJKF · 09-04-2010, 08:47 AM

I have been telling people for years not to use Scupper carts, and here is proof once again why. It really is surprising that any company would endorse or sell them for there product.
This is another example of why you should always wear a pfd also.

maui jim · 09-04-2010, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Sammons LJKF

I have been telling people for years not to use Scupper carts, and here is proof once again why. It really is surprising that any company would endorse or sell them for there product.
This is another example of why you should always wear a pfd also.

For future business.....DUH.....

bigbarrels · 09-04-2010, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Sammons LJKF

I have been telling people for years not to use Scupper carts, and here is proof once again why. It really is surprising that any company would endorse or sell them for there product.
This is another example of why you should always wear a pfd also.

X2

NO PFD and I would have been fish food

Dean Machine · 09-04-2010, 09:00 PM

Yup, a pfd is like a seatbelt. You just never know when your going to need it and there won't be time to put it on when you do.

Useful Idiot · 09-09-2010, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Sammons LJKF

I have been telling people for years not to use Scupper carts, and here is proof once again why. It really is surprising that any company would endorse or sell them for there product.
This is another example of why you should always wear a pfd also.

Yep. We always advise against them. Scupper damage from those types of carts is one of the most common repairs we get in the shop.

CurtyL · 09-10-2010, 06:33 AM

nice recovery!!! If you can get yourself out of a situation like that then I say ..

09-03-2010, 01:31 PM	#1
dgax65 Guerro Grande Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 629	Scuppers are the most vulnerable points on a kayak. Why you would design/sell wheels that mount through the scuppers is beyond me. I've heard of too many people whose wheels have damaged their scuppers and they wind up bailing out or swimming. Get a cart that spreads the weight out over a large area of the hull. There is much less chance of damage. I'm glad you were prepared and didn't have to swim. __________________ Douglas Gaxiola Team No Fish- Amateur Staff

09-04-2010, 06:53 AM	#3
bigbarrels Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Vista Posts: 1,111	Glad to see you are OK and were carrying a sump pump and actually able to locate it and use it. To not carry a sump pump out there is playing with some serious fire. I was screwed because I couldn't reach my sump pump. If you read through the link posted by Jim there was some really cool ways that people attach their sump pumps to their kayaks. Better luck on the fishing the next time OTW! Bob, as far as my gear, I was extremely lucky and got a complete replacement of all gear for around $325.00. Andy (Iceman) at OEX was able to work a deal out for me with Malibu for a Malibu X-13 (no sit inside bait tank)for around $325.00. I believe it was you and one other person on BWE mentioned that I should check my home owners/renters insurance. My renters insurance covered everything that was on or attached to the kayak, just not the kayak. So after I was done with my list of everything I lost I was cut a check for around $3700.00 (would of been $4200.00 but there was a $500.00 deductible). The XFActor was repaired by Andy at OEX and he did an amazing repair job! However after hearing my wife complain about three kayaks in my single car garage I ended up scrappping the XFActor after stripping all the gear and accessories off it. Thankfully no swim to Point Loma X2. People need to carry and make sure that can access all their safety gear OTW and do frequent checks on their kayaks to avoid a swim......when the stuff is hitting the fan OTW it happens extremely quick......just my .02 Last edited by bigbarrels; 09-04-2010 at 11:58 AM.

09-04-2010, 07:45 AM	#4
tunaseeker TB Metal Art Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 653	Sump Pump Big Barrels, I too almost could not reach the pump. It got stuck at the bow around the sail post and I could not get it out, pulled like hell! and finally it freed up, whoo. I now mout it on my rear basket so I can reach it much easier and will install an electric pump in the bottom too. That was no fun out there and your story was absolutley scary! Glad you are ok too! See ya OTW Todd

09-04-2010, 08:47 AM	#5
Jim Sammons LJKF Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 947	I have been telling people for years not to use Scupper carts, and here is proof once again why. It really is surprising that any company would endorse or sell them for there product. This is another example of why you should always wear a pfd also. __________________ Jim Sammons La Jolla Kayak Fishing The Kayak Fishing Show JimSammons.com

09-04-2010, 09:00 PM	#8
Dean Machine Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Clemente Posts: 162	Yup, a pfd is like a seatbelt. You just never know when your going to need it and there won't be time to put it on when you do. __________________ "Good luck and tight lines!"

09-04-2010, 01:13 AM	#2
bmercury Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 103	they really are a weak point. Have read about a lot of failures from carts or stake out poles going through the scuppers.

09-10-2010, 06:33 AM	#10
CurtyL Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: wherever the college girlz r Posts: 127	nice recovery!!! If you can get yourself out of a situation like that then I say ..