Love the wording for the South Coast region - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

bellcon · 12-21-2010, 03:44 PM

Friggen fraken FFFF....

I got one,
who said this->
Quote:
"We may not be able to do much about climate change in the near term but we can damn well control fishing better than we do now,"

CurtyL · 12-21-2010, 03:47 PM

is this the final map? for LJ?
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/finalimpact_sc.asp

m1k3midg3 · 12-21-2010, 04:21 PM

whats the difference between a state marine reserve and a state marine conservation area?

Aaron&Julie · 12-21-2010, 05:44 PM

What's the penalty for being found fishing in an MLPA area?

If it's not too severe, I like what Montie at M & M Rods suggested. If the La Jolla prime areas gets lost to closure, every private boater, kayaker and even the 1/2 day boats, pick a day where we swamp the area. The Moyer tournament has had as many as a 175 kayakers alone. With that many or more, plus all the private boaters, and sport boats, what are they gonna do? Arrest us all?
We can all even agree to just be holding rods with no hooks, or jigs attached, just sinkers. Since we can be in the area, we can deny actually fishing. The rod is just a symbol of protest.

Maybe some TV news reports about this is just what we need.

And you know what, if we lose that area for fishing, they can f*^%$ take away the $57.00 2011 license I just bought, because it will about be worthless. I'll go albie fishing instead.

mtnbykr2 · 12-21-2010, 06:04 PM

I personally would be all over this idea, no matter what, count me in, but I am in ventura so give me a heads up....

Gino · 12-21-2010, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bellcon

Friggen fraken FFFF....

I got one,
who said this->
Quote:
"We may not be able to do much about climate change in the near term but we can damn well control fishing better than we do now,"

all take note, that the most important word in that statement is "control"

Iceman · 12-21-2010, 08:22 PM

"Poaching" in a reserve, they can confiscate all your gear and your yak if they wanted to really come down hard.

GregAndrew · 12-21-2010, 08:46 PM

CurtyL, it is in there under Appendix A. Not real clear though because it is actually 2 MPAs, a reserve and a conservation area.

M1, in a reserve there is no take or disturbance of any kind allowed. In a conservation area 1 or more things may be allowed. Some examples of allowed activities in specific conservation areas are: recreational bait fishing, commercial bait fishing, sand replenishment, recreational fishing for pelagics only, harpooning billfish (no really!!).

TMan, I think that "open and transparent" has got to be is the biggest joke of all. Either that, or calling the idiots a "science advisory team". The top 2 of them stated at the last BRTF meeting that the WSB were on the decline at the beginning of this incredible year of fishing for them.

dsafety · 12-21-2010, 09:36 PM

I expect that there will be a lot of sifting and shifting that goes one before we have to raise the angry banner of defiance on this issue. First there will be the legal challenges. If we lose that battle, there will be issue of enforcement. Is an unenforced regulation really a regulation. The 55 mph speed limit comes to mind.

Politicians will come and go before this thing gets sorted out. We can help influence who is in power when things really come to a head. The next few years will be an important time to make sure that we all make intelligent and well informed choices when we visit the ballot box.

While I am disappointed that a corrupt commission that does not represent the will of the people has issued this bogus decree, I do not believe that it will survive the challenges that have been mounted against it.

If I am wrong, and this thing really becomes law, you will surely see me in the fleet of defiant fishers who test the will of those who will try to make these proposed regulations stick. If I were a betting man, I would put my money on our side.

Bob

Hunters Pa · 12-21-2010, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman

"Poaching" in a reserve, they can confiscate all your gear and your yak if they wanted to really come down hard.

And whatever vehicle brought it there if they wait til you put as much as a hook back in your truck.

dfroggy54 · 12-22-2010, 07:49 AM

Talked to two game wardens last night. Both think entire process is bull. Both seemed to be completely over it and not looking forward to it.

Aaron&Julie · 12-22-2010, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman

"Poaching" in a reserve, they can confiscate all your gear and your yak if they wanted to really come down hard.

Well, we certainly wouldn't want our gear confiscated. But, without a hook on the line, is it fishing?
"But, officer, I'm just straightening out my line, which is why I only have a sinker on".
I don't know, just the possibility of losing La Jolla is frustrating. If we all did get together for one massive protest on the possible closed area, maybe we'd get TV coverage (especially if they're contacted). But, by
then it'd probably be too late to overturn the decision.
In the future, we might have to go to Rocky Point to get our yellows and whites

Iceman · 12-22-2010, 07:34 PM

Quote:

In the future, we might have to go to Rocky Point to get our yellows and whites

They took that one too.

12-21-2010, 03:44 PM	#1
bellcon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: San Pedro Posts: 999	Friggen fraken FFFF.... I got one, who said this-> Quote: "We may not be able to do much about climate change in the near term but we can damn well control fishing better than we do now," __________________ Last edited by bellcon; 12-21-2010 at 03:45 PM. Reason: nuna

12-21-2010, 05:44 PM	#4
Aaron&Julie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Spring Valley Posts: 1,400	What's the penalty for being found fishing in an MLPA area? If it's not too severe, I like what Montie at M & M Rods suggested. If the La Jolla prime areas gets lost to closure, every private boater, kayaker and even the 1/2 day boats, pick a day where we swamp the area. The Moyer tournament has had as many as a 175 kayakers alone. With that many or more, plus all the private boaters, and sport boats, what are they gonna do? Arrest us all? We can all even agree to just be holding rods with no hooks, or jigs attached, just sinkers. Since we can be in the area, we can deny actually fishing. The rod is just a symbol of protest. Maybe some TV news reports about this is just what we need. And you know what, if we lose that area for fishing, they can f*^%$ take away the $57.00 2011 license I just bought, because it will about be worthless. I'll go albie fishing instead. __________________ "Never say die"

12-21-2010, 08:22 PM	#7
Iceman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 1-2 miles off the point Posts: 6,948	"Poaching" in a reserve, they can confiscate all your gear and your yak if they wanted to really come down hard. __________________

12-22-2010, 07:49 AM	#11
dfroggy54 Rolly Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 245	Talked to two game wardens last night. Both think entire process is bull. Both seemed to be completely over it and not looking forward to it. __________________ I Fish. I catch. I Eat.

12-21-2010, 03:47 PM	#2
CurtyL Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: wherever the college girlz r Posts: 127	is this the final map? for LJ? http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/finalimpact_sc.asp

12-21-2010, 04:21 PM	#3
m1k3midg3 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 108	whats the difference between a state marine reserve and a state marine conservation area?

12-21-2010, 06:04 PM	#5
mtnbykr2 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: newbury park ca Posts: 2,323	I personally would be all over this idea, no matter what, count me in, but I am in ventura so give me a heads up....

12-21-2010, 08:46 PM	#8
GregAndrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,384	CurtyL, it is in there under Appendix A. Not real clear though because it is actually 2 MPAs, a reserve and a conservation area. M1, in a reserve there is no take or disturbance of any kind allowed. In a conservation area 1 or more things may be allowed. Some examples of allowed activities in specific conservation areas are: recreational bait fishing, commercial bait fishing, sand replenishment, recreational fishing for pelagics only, harpooning billfish (no really!!). TMan, I think that "open and transparent" has got to be is the biggest joke of all. Either that, or calling the idiots a "science advisory team". The top 2 of them stated at the last BRTF meeting that the WSB were on the decline at the beginning of this incredible year of fishing for them.

12-21-2010, 09:36 PM	#9
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,122	I expect that there will be a lot of sifting and shifting that goes one before we have to raise the angry banner of defiance on this issue. First there will be the legal challenges. If we lose that battle, there will be issue of enforcement. Is an unenforced regulation really a regulation. The 55 mph speed limit comes to mind. Politicians will come and go before this thing gets sorted out. We can help influence who is in power when things really come to a head. The next few years will be an important time to make sure that we all make intelligent and well informed choices when we visit the ballot box. While I am disappointed that a corrupt commission that does not represent the will of the people has issued this bogus decree, I do not believe that it will survive the challenges that have been mounted against it. If I am wrong, and this thing really becomes law, you will surely see me in the fleet of defiant fishers who test the will of those who will try to make these proposed regulations stick. If I were a betting man, I would put my money on our side. Bob