MLPA: Close-up closure maps at WON - Page 2 - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Iceman · 01-26-2011, 04:42 PM

Just take a deep breath everybody, there is nothing new and earth shattering in these maps. Most of it has been our "best case scenario" for the last year. La Jolla is not going to undergo dramatic changes. On most given days you can paddle out and have it all to yourselves, unless word gets out of a WFO bite, this will remain the way it will be. If you are looking for a sure thing, join the crowd, if you are out there to soak up what the Jewel has to offer it ain't over! Fishing north of the pier to get away from the pack will still be an option and you will be even more likely to have plenty of solitude if you are willing to go a little further.

I personally would have to say that the majority of my fish caught at La Jolla are well SW of the future boundary line. I do not expect my fishing plans to alter more than having to paddle a little more.

Bottom line is kayak fishing is not in peril. I plan to fish from a kayak until I cant physically do so anymore and even then probably from a Hobie for a few more years after that.

dorado50 · 01-26-2011, 05:14 PM

The biggest and best fish I have seen taken from LJ have been caught in the "red zone". I do believe kayak fishing,with these new bounderies is in jeppardy, but thats just my opinion...

so the reserve is .67 nm from launch, the condo is 1.4nm to get to new boundry ( Pt. LJ)is another 1.1nm..or more? Hope I'm wrong.

lamb · 01-26-2011, 05:15 PM

Well said Andy... You're not "stand up and say Andy" without a reason.

Sure it's bad, but for all of us SD locals, and specifically with La Jolla, it could have been much, much worse. I truly believe had it not for the kayak fishing community persistent and outstanding efforts during MLPA meetings, that map would have much more red in it. I can't thank enough to everyone who has been helping the MLPA battle.

I wish folks up in Laguna or Malibu had the kind of "luck" (if I may even call it that) that we kind of ended up having with La Jolla. Seeing where "the other side" was coming from, I was worried it was going to be way worse.

With that said, it is not the end of the world, and we've got to move on. People lose a dear person, family member, husband or wife, some people lose a friggen country, and still find away to move on with their life. It's fishing, we ought to be able to survive this one, We'll just have to look for them someplace else.

What is really disturbing to me is how there is really no review / evaluation spelled out process or measurable benchmarks for MLPA.

Once put in gear, it will probably be here to stay. Stay for good.

dorado50 · 01-26-2011, 05:22 PM

Until people realize that this is socialism at work...it is the beginning of the end. We are seeing first hand how this mental disorder is deciding what is "best" for all Americans. These people are trying to take away our first and second amendment rights,that is, they are making stabs at it right now..

wake up

Tman · 01-26-2011, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dorado50

Until people realize that this is socialism at work...it is the beginning of the end. We are seeing first hand how this mental disorder is deciding what is "best" for all Americans. These people are trying to take away our first and second amendment rights,that is, they are making stabs at it right now..

wake up

No doubt...

Worse is what was just touched upon. They will 'review' them in 5 years, we all know how that will turn out.

Lit-up1 · 01-26-2011, 06:07 PM

Don't scrap the kayaks yet

I agree the bit about moving the boundry out to the point cuts off the closest spots, but I disagree that most of the fish are caught there.
Many of us have witnessed massive surface boils of YT in the area that we will still be allowed to fish in-Maybe the crowd will be grouped more, but like Andy says you can have the place to yourself almost any day. But the crowd can be a problem MLPA or not-I admit it

on a wide open bite-
That certainly won't improve, but crowds were an issue already-not caused but perhaps worsened in part by MLPA-hard to tell at this point isn't it-
This is a huge (and hard fought for-thanks PAL

) compromise in LaJolla, but other options are out there for kayak fisherman-
Just fishing in LA JOLLA ?? I think that always was kind of limiting. Explore, try Point Loma I have caught Yellows and WSB off Point Loma-Face it one of the biggest attractions for LJ is the beach launch and vehicle access to the beach-we can still do that--very few of us paddle around the corner to the southern part on a regular basis-certainly no newbies -most of the fishing will take place where it already does-that will not change-
I think MOTHERSHIP OPTIONS are going to grow for us and we are quite a ways still from an enforceable law.
I for one

don't plan on intentionally fishing in a preserve, but I wonder how clear the boundaries will really be considering half the time I was in LJ in 2010 I think it was dark(DFG has night goggles). Of course you will be responsible if caught fishing in a preserve-if the State thought you were thumbing your nose at them they could pull your license and not issue another one-ever-you ignore the law at your own peril.
I agree with Adi that once closed we are out for good-I do wonder what will happen to these areas when closed but do really hate their carrot on a stick approach, "..YOU WILL SEE in 10 years there will be more fish.."
By saying that crap they prove they think we are stupid

They will never act to reopen any of these areas and when they do I promise I will eat my rocking chair

Who cares what we can see if we can't fish there-I will be more crotchity in 10 years I bet

Aaron&Julie · 01-26-2011, 06:53 PM

We agree with Andy, Dorado and Dave, 100%. Especially about the part where once it's closed it will forever remain closed. But, also that there will still be good areas to fish. Problem there is not only does it force kayakers to bunch together, but also PBers and 1/2 day boats. Tight in the summertime for sure, even tighter on summer weekends.

Thanks, Paul, for clearing up the blue area around Scripps. Didn't key on that range part, which puts this area in the lower mid-range, we suppose.

Billy V · 01-26-2011, 08:45 PM

I'm completely color blind so their maps don't mean squat to me.

Jimmyz123 · 01-27-2011, 04:51 AM

I nominate Andy for President, very well said man.

Joe11 · 01-01-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmyz123

Thanks for putting this all together. It really helps to understand what we are going to see happen, if the state is dumb enough to let it happen.

Had to LOL on the comment "if the state is dumb enough". The voters put Brown in office so the IF part is not in question.

PAL · 01-01-2012, 05:17 PM

^Don't forget the governator. The MLPA is all his. He's the one who took private interest money, and fixed the commission to ensure MLPA implementation the month before he left office. Brown has had almost nothing to do with it.

WahooUSMA · 01-01-2012, 06:27 PM

Anyone know of a chip for our FF's/GPS/Chartplotter's that will show the fuck nut MLPA boundaries?

james92026 · 01-02-2012, 07:51 AM

Human nature being fickle as it is, I wonder how many of those who *vowed* not to renew their fishing licenses for 90 or more days will actually do it? Excuse being, "There is still a sizeable fishing area left in LJ off wind and sea". (not that the action would have any impact anyway).

FISHIONADO · 01-02-2012, 07:57 AM

Some of you people were completely silent and absent during the MLPA fight. Who gives a rats ass what you think now? Thanks for all the help, go complain about it somewhere else. I salute my fishing brothers and sisters who took the time to participate in the fight.

james92026 · 01-02-2012, 09:46 AM

Not diminishing the efforts of those activists who did participate in some fashion whose efforts may have made some worthwhile difference. I was only tongue-in-cheek observing those who think that not purchasing a license for a while would make an impact, only persons hurt by that would be themselves. Self deprivation seldom affects anyone other than the initiator.

FISHIONADO · 01-02-2012, 10:00 AM

Hey James, my comments were directed at folks who have been on this forum for years but were silent during the MPLA process. I still wish them a very Happy New Year, but let's be real.

roadx · 01-02-2012, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FISHIONADO

Some of you people were completely silent and absent during the MLPA fight. Who gives a rats ass what you think now? Thanks for all the help, go complain about it somewhere else. I salute my fishing brothers and sisters who took the time to participate in the fight.

james92026 · 01-02-2012, 10:23 AM

Oh,I know and that is exactly my point, the self bravado declarations that some made but as you said, did not participate. I have no excuses as I am a "Johnny come lately" but applaud the efforts of those who did.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FISHIONADO

Hey James, my comments were directed at folks who have been on this forum for years but were silent during the MPLA process. I still wish them a very Happy New Year, but let's be real.

mazilla · 01-02-2012, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy V

I'm completely color blind so their maps don't mean squat to me.

As am I(not completely, but "color deficient" for sure)...does anybody know of a map that is not in color shades?

dwntwnall4u · 01-02-2012, 11:51 AM

Why couldn't they do what they do in Hawaii in certain areas?
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/b...136521338.html

Open/closed fishing on alternate years.

01-26-2011, 04:42 PM	#21
Iceman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 1-2 miles off the point Posts: 6,943	Just take a deep breath everybody, there is nothing new and earth shattering in these maps. Most of it has been our "best case scenario" for the last year. La Jolla is not going to undergo dramatic changes. On most given days you can paddle out and have it all to yourselves, unless word gets out of a WFO bite, this will remain the way it will be. If you are looking for a sure thing, join the crowd, if you are out there to soak up what the Jewel has to offer it ain't over! Fishing north of the pier to get away from the pack will still be an option and you will be even more likely to have plenty of solitude if you are willing to go a little further. I personally would have to say that the majority of my fish caught at La Jolla are well SW of the future boundary line. I do not expect my fishing plans to alter more than having to paddle a little more. Bottom line is kayak fishing is not in peril. I plan to fish from a kayak until I cant physically do so anymore and even then probably from a Hobie for a few more years after that. __________________

01-26-2011, 05:15 PM	#23
lamb Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,563	Well said Andy... You're not "stand up and say Andy" without a reason. Sure it's bad, but for all of us SD locals, and specifically with La Jolla, it could have been much, much worse. I truly believe had it not for the kayak fishing community persistent and outstanding efforts during MLPA meetings, that map would have much more red in it. I can't thank enough to everyone who has been helping the MLPA battle. I wish folks up in Laguna or Malibu had the kind of "luck" (if I may even call it that) that we kind of ended up having with La Jolla. Seeing where "the other side" was coming from, I was worried it was going to be way worse. With that said, it is not the end of the world, and we've got to move on. People lose a dear person, family member, husband or wife, some people lose a friggen country, and still find away to move on with their life. It's fishing, we ought to be able to survive this one, We'll just have to look for them someplace else. What is really disturbing to me is how there is really no review / evaluation spelled out process or measurable benchmarks for MLPA. Once put in gear, it will probably be here to stay. Stay for good. __________________ [------------------------ <)))< ....b-a-a-a-a

01-26-2011, 06:07 PM	#26
Lit-up1 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Point Loma Posts: 384	MLPA Don't scrap the kayaks yet I agree the bit about moving the boundry out to the point cuts off the closest spots, but I disagree that most of the fish are caught there. Many of us have witnessed massive surface boils of YT in the area that we will still be allowed to fish in-Maybe the crowd will be grouped more, but like Andy says you can have the place to yourself almost any day. But the crowd can be a problem MLPA or not-I admit it on a wide open bite- That certainly won't improve, but crowds were an issue already-not caused but perhaps worsened in part by MLPA-hard to tell at this point isn't it- This is a huge (and hard fought for-thanks PAL) compromise in LaJolla, but other options are out there for kayak fisherman- Just fishing in LA JOLLA ?? I think that always was kind of limiting. Explore, try Point Loma I have caught Yellows and WSB off Point Loma-Face it one of the biggest attractions for LJ is the beach launch and vehicle access to the beach-we can still do that--very few of us paddle around the corner to the southern part on a regular basis-certainly no newbies -most of the fishing will take place where it already does-that will not change- I think MOTHERSHIP OPTIONS are going to grow for us and we are quite a ways still from an enforceable law. I for one don't plan on intentionally fishing in a preserve, but I wonder how clear the boundaries will really be considering half the time I was in LJ in 2010 I think it was dark(DFG has night goggles). Of course you will be responsible if caught fishing in a preserve-if the State thought you were thumbing your nose at them they could pull your license and not issue another one-ever-you ignore the law at your own peril. I agree with Adi that once closed we are out for good-I do wonder what will happen to these areas when closed but do really hate their carrot on a stick approach, "..YOU WILL SEE in 10 years there will be more fish.." By saying that crap they prove they think we are stupid They will never act to reopen any of these areas and when they do I promise I will eat my rocking chair Who cares what we can see if we can't fish there-I will be more crotchity in 10 years I bet __________________

01-26-2011, 06:53 PM	#27
Aaron&Julie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Spring Valley Posts: 1,400	We agree with Andy, Dorado and Dave, 100%. Especially about the part where once it's closed it will forever remain closed. But, also that there will still be good areas to fish. Problem there is not only does it force kayakers to bunch together, but also PBers and 1/2 day boats. Tight in the summertime for sure, even tighter on summer weekends. Thanks, Paul, for clearing up the blue area around Scripps. Didn't key on that range part, which puts this area in the lower mid-range, we suppose. __________________ "Never say die" Last edited by Aaron&Julie; 01-26-2011 at 07:05 PM.

01-26-2011, 08:45 PM	#28
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	I'm completely color blind so their maps don't mean squat to me. __________________

01-26-2011, 05:14 PM	#22
dorado50 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: La Jolla Shores Posts: 1,626	The biggest and best fish I have seen taken from LJ have been caught in the "red zone". I do believe kayak fishing,with these new bounderies is in jeppardy, but thats just my opinion... so the reserve is .67 nm from launch, the condo is 1.4nm to get to new boundry ( Pt. LJ)is another 1.1nm..or more? Hope I'm wrong.

01-26-2011, 05:22 PM	#24
dorado50 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: La Jolla Shores Posts: 1,626	Until people realize that this is socialism at work...it is the beginning of the end. We are seeing first hand how this mental disorder is deciding what is "best" for all Americans. These people are trying to take away our first and second amendment rights,that is, they are making stabs at it right now.. wake up

01-27-2011, 04:51 AM	#29
Jimmyz123 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,385	I nominate Andy for President, very well said man.

01-01-2012, 05:17 PM	#31
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	^Don't forget the governator. The MLPA is all his. He's the one who took private interest money, and fixed the commission to ensure MLPA implementation the month before he left office. Brown has had almost nothing to do with it.

01-01-2012, 06:27 PM	#32
WahooUSMA Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Rancho Cucamonga Posts: 753	Anyone know of a chip for our FF's/GPS/Chartplotter's that will show the fuck nut MLPA boundaries? __________________ GO ARMY BEAT NAVY! Bad decisions make great stories!

01-02-2012, 07:51 AM	#33
james92026 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Escondido CA Posts: 114	Human nature being fickle as it is, I wonder how many of those who vowed not to renew their fishing licenses for 90 or more days will actually do it? Excuse being, "There is still a sizeable fishing area left in LJ off wind and sea". (not that the action would have any impact anyway).

01-02-2012, 07:57 AM	#34
FISHIONADO Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 698	Some of you people were completely silent and absent during the MLPA fight. Who gives a rats ass what you think now? Thanks for all the help, go complain about it somewhere else. I salute my fishing brothers and sisters who took the time to participate in the fight.

01-02-2012, 09:46 AM	#35
james92026 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Escondido CA Posts: 114	Not diminishing the efforts of those activists who did participate in some fashion whose efforts may have made some worthwhile difference. I was only tongue-in-cheek observing those who think that not purchasing a license for a while would make an impact, only persons hurt by that would be themselves. Self deprivation seldom affects anyone other than the initiator.

01-02-2012, 10:00 AM	#36
FISHIONADO Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 698	Hey James, my comments were directed at folks who have been on this forum for years but were silent during the MPLA process. I still wish them a very Happy New Year, but let's be real.

01-02-2012, 11:51 AM	#40
dwntwnall4u Kevin C. Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: San Diego/Hawaii Posts: 146	Why couldn't they do what they do in Hawaii in certain areas? http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/b...136521338.html Open/closed fishing on alternate years.