Seals slaughtered at Childrens Pool - NSFW - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

old_rookie · 03-09-2011, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tony

Found this interesting...One of the bullhorn crazy ladies- Dorata Valli- tried to nominate herself to the MLPA South Coast Regional Stake Holders Group..

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...v5dJdqLwUe47GA

Wonder what her intentions were?

Also these idiots run Youtube videos where they are clearly harassing normal decent people and try to portray their victims as maniacs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfcS414_OoY

Where is County Mental Health when you need them??

Whoever that guy was on the video handled the situation very well and DID set a good example for his son - showing him how to handle the woman.

Don't know what federal law he is breaking. At one time there was a rope down there - not in the video.

I bet each time it rains, the run-off causes more of a problem for the seals than anyone walking the beach or getting a ball.

If that woman has her kids around during this, she is keeping future psychiatrists employed.

rogersmith · 03-09-2011, 08:35 AM

I would urge everyone who has a strong opinion on the seal thing to think something through. I know, the first reaction, mine as well, is to say its about the agenda of wacko environmentalists placing animals' rights over people. The same agenda that has led to the MLPA and absolute looney "species management" that is actually anti fishing legislation built on messed up moral judgement. Believe me, I see the point here. Mother Nature ceded the SoCal coast to human use a long time ago, protecting seal access in a developed area is pretty silly. Yes, if dissuaded from living there they will find more appropriate alternatives., which do exist.

But, I am from New Jersey and for the angler there, ACCESS is everything. When I look at this debate I see wealthy home owners who dont like traffic, crowds, noise. And thats it; wealth and power driving a local political agenda. If you asked me to be completly objective without the enviro angle, sometimes I think its fare to say its a farce that this beach needs to be reserved for "children". There are MILES of beaches in San Diego; pick another to play frisbee. La Jolla shores is right down the road.

I see both sides of this though. And while I would support fighting the ridiculous agenda of the enviros, be VERY CAREFUL about what money and power can do as well. Today they dont like the traffic and crowds the seals bring, tomorrow they will object to some aspect, real or imagined, of fishing activities and then we will be on the chopping block. This was the case year in and year out in NJ. Some trash on the beach? No more parking allowed! Couple of hooks on the rocks? No fishing signs go up. All to protect the privacy of the little enclaves of the rich and connected. It was a travesty. I was threatened with police once for LOOKING at a lake in a "private" community in NJ, told I was trespassing. A naturally occuring lake no less, not a product of a dam!!

Remember, look at how the MLPA process went, most or all of the actual worthwhile aspects of it were stripped: polution, development and runoff management. What emerged was the enviro victory over the weakest target, rec fishing. The commercial interests and their $$$ got their way.

Im not saying lets all hug the seals, but think about how enabling the agenda of local wealth can lead to curtailed public access and use of shore fishing locations, launch spots, parking, etc.

Now I will duck and cover

Gino · 03-10-2011, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rogersmith

I would urge everyone who has a strong opinion on the seal thing to think something through. I know, the first reaction, mine as well, is to say its about the agenda of wacko environmentalists placing animals' rights over people. The same agenda that has led to the MLPA and absolute looney "species management" that is actually anti fishing legislation built on messed up moral judgement. Believe me, I see the point here. Mother Nature ceded the SoCal coast to human use a long time ago, protecting seal access in a developed area is pretty silly. Yes, if dissuaded from living there they will find more appropriate alternatives., which do exist.

But, I am from New Jersey and for the angler there, ACCESS is everything. When I look at this debate I see wealthy home owners who dont like traffic, crowds, noise. And thats it; wealth and power driving a local political agenda. If you asked me to be completly objective without the enviro angle, sometimes I think its fare to say its a farce that this beach needs to be reserved for "children". There are MILES of beaches in San Diego; pick another to play frisbee. La Jolla shores is right down the road.

I see both sides of this though. And while I would support fighting the ridiculous agenda of the enviros, be VERY CAREFUL about what money and power can do as well. Today they dont like the traffic and crowds the seals bring, tomorrow they will object to some aspect, real or imagined, of fishing activities and then we will be on the chopping block. This was the case year in and year out in NJ. Some trash on the beach? No more parking allowed! Couple of hooks on the rocks? No fishing signs go up. All to protect the privacy of the little enclaves of the rich and connected. It was a travesty. I was threatened with police once for LOOKING at a lake in a "private" community in NJ, told I was trespassing. A naturally occuring lake no less, not a product of a dam!!

Remember, look at how the MLPA process went, most or all of the actual worthwhile aspects of it were stripped: polution, development and runoff management. What emerged was the enviro victory over the weakest target, rec fishing. The commercial interests and their $$$ got their way.

Im not saying lets all hug the seals, but think about how enabling the agenda of local wealth can lead to curtailed public access and use of shore fishing locations, launch spots, parking, etc.

Now I will duck and cover

Hey now! Sealions lay on the beach in Jersey all the time, Havent you seen Snookie?

They need to restrict her access...

dahunter1996 · 03-10-2011, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Gino

Hey now! Sealions lay on the beach in Jersey all the time, Havent you seen Snookie?

They need to restrict her access...

LOL
here snookie snookie

03-09-2011, 08:35 AM	#2
rogersmith Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 465	I would urge everyone who has a strong opinion on the seal thing to think something through. I know, the first reaction, mine as well, is to say its about the agenda of wacko environmentalists placing animals' rights over people. The same agenda that has led to the MLPA and absolute looney "species management" that is actually anti fishing legislation built on messed up moral judgement. Believe me, I see the point here. Mother Nature ceded the SoCal coast to human use a long time ago, protecting seal access in a developed area is pretty silly. Yes, if dissuaded from living there they will find more appropriate alternatives., which do exist. But, I am from New Jersey and for the angler there, ACCESS is everything. When I look at this debate I see wealthy home owners who dont like traffic, crowds, noise. And thats it; wealth and power driving a local political agenda. If you asked me to be completly objective without the enviro angle, sometimes I think its fare to say its a farce that this beach needs to be reserved for "children". There are MILES of beaches in San Diego; pick another to play frisbee. La Jolla shores is right down the road. I see both sides of this though. And while I would support fighting the ridiculous agenda of the enviros, be VERY CAREFUL about what money and power can do as well. Today they dont like the traffic and crowds the seals bring, tomorrow they will object to some aspect, real or imagined, of fishing activities and then we will be on the chopping block. This was the case year in and year out in NJ. Some trash on the beach? No more parking allowed! Couple of hooks on the rocks? No fishing signs go up. All to protect the privacy of the little enclaves of the rich and connected. It was a travesty. I was threatened with police once for LOOKING at a lake in a "private" community in NJ, told I was trespassing. A naturally occuring lake no less, not a product of a dam!! Remember, look at how the MLPA process went, most or all of the actual worthwhile aspects of it were stripped: polution, development and runoff management. What emerged was the enviro victory over the weakest target, rec fishing. The commercial interests and their $$$ got their way. Im not saying lets all hug the seals, but think about how enabling the agenda of local wealth can lead to curtailed public access and use of shore fishing locations, launch spots, parking, etc. Now I will duck and cover