Fred Hall Del Mar - my experience - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

mtnbykr2 · 03-26-2011, 08:33 PM

I can feel it coming...minimum of two pages...yhat's my prediction...
wow, two days and all those seminars, I am followin you

I thought I was bad at six and a half hours..

dorado50 · 03-26-2011, 08:53 PM

Two items that have been around and proven for some time are spectra and florocarbon line. How one uses it is a personal choice, no right or wrong way application. Let the dissertations begin...

Rusty · 03-27-2011, 12:33 AM

7 or 8 years ago I started out fishing using spectra on the sporties and the captains told me to get rid of it. They called me spiderman. It created nightmare tangles from hell. After putting in 3-4 years of fishing sporties 2-5 times a week with mono (awesome job I had), I learned to catch fish with mono and a flouro leader consistently. It took a lot of painstaking work. Transferring to the kayak, I just used what I new... Mono / Flouro.

From what I understand, the biggest advantage of using spectra straight to flouro is that your bait is able to swim a lot more naturally, thus you should get bit more often. On a kayak or PB, this is great. You can chop through kelp when needed as well. The downside is you have no stretch (forgiveness) in these two items, like mono does, so if you have spaghetti arms like me, you might be taking a beating.... Which is why I have yet to switch over.

Personally, I think Josh's idea from a while ago (which has taken me a lot of time and thought to comprehend) of wrapping mono first, then adding spectra on top followed by 6-8' of flouro... is genius. - correct me if I'm wrong on the setup please. You have all the elements of getting bit (specra / flouro = free swimmer), and once something starts pulling enough drag you get down to the mono it gives you a little forgiveness. The only possible drawback is that I would think the spectra would slide into and lock up in the small spaces between the spooled mono. Does that happen Josh?

Anyone fish solely spectra to flouro on normal rods / guides (say seeker black steele or regular calstars? Is it hard on the guides / rod? I'm giving serious thought to switching over now that my skillz have improved and I rarely fish sporties... but I'm gonna have to start doing more push-ups.

Lets_Fish · 03-27-2011, 09:57 AM

Regor,

I have to agree with you on the "difference" of the shows today compared to say back in the 1970's & 1980's. I use to frequent the Long Beach show back then and was always amazed at what I saw. Lots of vendors from the manufacture to the little guys and all giving out deals (or thats how I remember).

Last year was the first time I attended the Del Mar show since I was out of town during the Long Beach show, (mind you I had not been to a FHS in like 15 years) and came away with a very different feeling (not liking it as much as it was smaller to what I had seen before at the Long Beach shows of the past)

. This year I planned and attended the Long Beach show with my brother and came away pleased but still feeling somewhat cheated out (no discount tickets as years before, less deals and fewer vendors). I'm sure that most of this was due to the current state of the economy here and else where.

I once again hit up the Del Mar show just yesterday and sat for a few seminars at the Fin-nor theater and the Triton Boats salt water tank. Watching those bass in the tank was something. I was able to met the infamous Josh and plan on setting up a day on the water with his services also. Thanks for spending some time to talk with me Josh.

I did see at the Long Beach show that they had electronics there, but as you mentioned the Del mar show did not have them. At the Long Beach show I did not notice many "great" deals on them either, but there were a few.

I did overhear that one of the Baja vacation spots had an increase of 300% on their booking for this time of the year, but I did not catch the name of the resort. Let's hope that this year is a better year for all.

deepdvr · 03-27-2011, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dorado50

Two items that have been around and proven for some time are spectra and florocarbon line. How one uses it is a personal choice, no right or wrong way application. Let the dissertations begin...

Spectra.......floro leaders.........ringed hooks??? Do those silly gimmicks actually help you catch fish?

tunaseeker · 03-27-2011, 07:06 PM

Greg,

Nice to meet you at the WSB seminar that never really happened. Sounds like you had a full Saturday. See you OTW.
Todd

T Bone · 03-27-2011, 07:38 PM

I fish 100% braid for seabass.After losing three in a row last year to the kelp and went straight spectra and landed them in some incredible kelp tangles.For open water I would still prefer to have a leader.

Quilted Germ · 03-28-2011, 07:29 AM

Did anyone pick up a Torium 20 from the Charkbait booth? $119 plus tax....best deal I saw in the 2 hours I was there....

03-27-2011, 09:57 AM	#4
Lets_Fish Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Wildomar, CA. Posts: 294	Regor, I have to agree with you on the "difference" of the shows today compared to say back in the 1970's & 1980's. I use to frequent the Long Beach show back then and was always amazed at what I saw. Lots of vendors from the manufacture to the little guys and all giving out deals (or thats how I remember). Last year was the first time I attended the Del Mar show since I was out of town during the Long Beach show, (mind you I had not been to a FHS in like 15 years) and came away with a very different feeling (not liking it as much as it was smaller to what I had seen before at the Long Beach shows of the past). This year I planned and attended the Long Beach show with my brother and came away pleased but still feeling somewhat cheated out (no discount tickets as years before, less deals and fewer vendors). I'm sure that most of this was due to the current state of the economy here and else where. I once again hit up the Del Mar show just yesterday and sat for a few seminars at the Fin-nor theater and the Triton Boats salt water tank. Watching those bass in the tank was something. I was able to met the infamous Josh and plan on setting up a day on the water with his services also. Thanks for spending some time to talk with me Josh. I did see at the Long Beach show that they had electronics there, but as you mentioned the Del mar show did not have them. At the Long Beach show I did not notice many "great" deals on them either, but there were a few. I did overhear that one of the Baja vacation spots had an increase of 300% on their booking for this time of the year, but I did not catch the name of the resort. Let's hope that this year is a better year for all.

03-27-2011, 07:38 PM	#7
T Bone Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Redlands CA Posts: 871	I fish 100% braid for seabass.After losing three in a row last year to the kelp and went straight spectra and landed them in some incredible kelp tangles.For open water I would still prefer to have a leader. __________________ Barachit Baralah,Elohim-In the beginning,God-Genesis 1:1 "Who among you,if your son asked for a fish would give them a serpent " Jesus Matt. 7:10

03-28-2011, 07:29 AM	#8
Quilted Germ Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Cardiff, Ca Posts: 185	Did anyone pick up a Torium 20 from the Charkbait booth? $119 plus tax....best deal I saw in the 2 hours I was there.... __________________ Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. - Ronald Reagan

03-26-2011, 08:33 PM	#1
mtnbykr2 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: newbury park ca Posts: 2,323	I can feel it coming...minimum of two pages...yhat's my prediction... wow, two days and all those seminars, I am followin you I thought I was bad at six and a half hours..

03-26-2011, 08:53 PM	#2
dorado50 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: La Jolla Shores Posts: 1,626	Two items that have been around and proven for some time are spectra and florocarbon line. How one uses it is a personal choice, no right or wrong way application. Let the dissertations begin...

03-27-2011, 12:33 AM	#3
Rusty Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: LJ Posts: 201	7 or 8 years ago I started out fishing using spectra on the sporties and the captains told me to get rid of it. They called me spiderman. It created nightmare tangles from hell. After putting in 3-4 years of fishing sporties 2-5 times a week with mono (awesome job I had), I learned to catch fish with mono and a flouro leader consistently. It took a lot of painstaking work. Transferring to the kayak, I just used what I new... Mono / Flouro. From what I understand, the biggest advantage of using spectra straight to flouro is that your bait is able to swim a lot more naturally, thus you should get bit more often. On a kayak or PB, this is great. You can chop through kelp when needed as well. The downside is you have no stretch (forgiveness) in these two items, like mono does, so if you have spaghetti arms like me, you might be taking a beating.... Which is why I have yet to switch over. Personally, I think Josh's idea from a while ago (which has taken me a lot of time and thought to comprehend) of wrapping mono first, then adding spectra on top followed by 6-8' of flouro... is genius. - correct me if I'm wrong on the setup please. You have all the elements of getting bit (specra / flouro = free swimmer), and once something starts pulling enough drag you get down to the mono it gives you a little forgiveness. The only possible drawback is that I would think the spectra would slide into and lock up in the small spaces between the spooled mono. Does that happen Josh? Anyone fish solely spectra to flouro on normal rods / guides (say seeker black steele or regular calstars? Is it hard on the guides / rod? I'm giving serious thought to switching over now that my skillz have improved and I rarely fish sporties... but I'm gonna have to start doing more push-ups.

03-27-2011, 07:06 PM	#6
tunaseeker TB Metal Art Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 653	Greg, Nice to meet you at the WSB seminar that never really happened. Sounds like you had a full Saturday. See you OTW. Todd