Coffee Grinder for YT? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Lets_Fish · 05-22-2011, 08:02 PM

Tom,

Not sure what type of reel your are using now, but have you tried any of the Avet MC style reels or a Newell? I have an old Newell that I learned to cast on, and oh my the free spool on it (back in the '80s) was awesome and it still casts great almost 30 years later. I have also watched some of the current videos on the Avet and I'm impressed. Here is one of them:
http://youtu.be/dmp0JdVDsRE

TCS · 05-22-2011, 08:09 PM

Avet had a casting demo at fred hall in LB, so I got to try their best reel on a nice rod, in a standing position so I could really lean into it. I didn't birds nest it and the distance wasn't bad. The problem was that with the the same setup sitting down I don't think it would have helped much. I think they're pretty pricey too.

Still could be an option with a different rod....

BT · 05-22-2011, 08:37 PM

Tom,

I grew up with spinning reels too, and this whole conventional reel thing was new to me.

One thing I learned, no matter how good the fisherman, they all get a birds nest once in a while.

I was out yesterday, and I used for the first time my curado 300ej. its a bait caster, but the same concept, and cost a pretty penny. I have never casted a smoother set up in my life...but I still had a couple of birds nest. I had 100 ft of mono top shot, and almost every cast I casted into the braid (with a wax wing too). I have heard that the Talica IIs are amazing casters for a level drag.

The one thing I would be concerned about is making sure you get an aluminum ( i think thats what they are making them out of) spinning rod if thats the way you go and you spool it with braided.

And for the people that knock the wax wings, they are missing out. Those things swim like nothing else. Its amazing.

TCS · 05-22-2011, 09:35 PM

Hmm... Nobody said to get an Ulua yet...

Anybody going to try and talk me down?

The other thing I'm wondering about is spectra cutting into the index finger on the cast. I have a little penn slammer setup that I cast in the kelp for calicos with 25 pound power pro and that stuff starts to cut into the fingers from casting. What about that? Go heavier, like 80 pound so its not so sharp?

tagyak · 05-23-2011, 07:45 AM

my question is, will the braid start to twist up when you retrieve it onto a spinning reel? i know when i use fluorocarbon on my freshwater spinning reels it starts to twist up when i troll and also on the retrieve. just concerned that this would happen on the saltwater spinners.

RK · 05-23-2011, 09:14 AM

The saltists or okuma cedros (for less money) dont look like too bad of an option

Billy V · 05-23-2011, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TCS

Avet had a casting demo at fred hall in LB, so I got to try their best reel on a nice rod, in a standing position so I could really lean into it. I didn't birds nest it and the distance wasn't bad. The problem was that with the the same setup sitting down I don't think it would have helped much. I think they're pretty pricey too.

Still could be an option with a different rod....

The MC reels cast well.
If the demo rod had a tennis ball, or something similar it will not give you an accurate example of its capability.

You can fly a jig a good distance with one of these reels and the right rod.
Maintenance of the bearings comes into play - but its easy service.

-scallywag- · 05-23-2011, 10:45 AM

Good point Billy!

I can't imagine trying to fight a 30lb YT on a 9ft rod with heavy drag and not using "the rail"....talk about a back breaker!!!

I'm sure with the right reel (expensive) you could stop and turn a local YT but the price, cost to service, and back-breaker fights are some neg's I can't really deal.

For a cheap mag reel for spectra take a look at the Penn 525mag. It holds about 200yrds of #65 and is rated at around 12-14lbs of drag. Charkbait had some for 100 bucks a while back...good reel for the price and easy to service.

MrPatrick · 05-23-2011, 10:54 AM

There is a video by" palm beach people" on here I believe. He pulls AJ's and sailfish with a Penn conquer. The saltwater experience guys use Quantum cabo pts reels exclusively and pull up big fish.

TCS · 05-23-2011, 11:18 AM

Thanks for the input Billy and Scally,

It did have a tennis ball.
What do you think about a levelwind?
I have heard that how the line is stacked is critical to the next cast.

Mtobolsky · 05-23-2011, 01:38 PM

Ah ha..... So that's why my back is sore... No big deal though, I have a little bit of a work out soreness and he gets a gaff shot behind the gill. I think the biggest negative is that coffee grinders are heavy....maybe not if you compare apples to apples though. My cabo has 42 lbs of smooth drag compare that to a conventional with the same drag and it would be light. The reel cast far (would be farther with a longer rod) haven't experienced the line twist issue and doesn't hurt my finger to cast (65 lb spectra). Whatever, it gets the job done nicely. I've seen guys pull on 150lb GT's and 300lb blue fin so I know they are capable.....it's just whatever your into, it's all good stuff.

kayakhunter · 05-23-2011, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -scallywag-

I can't imagine trying to fight a 30lb YT on a 9ft rod with heavy drag and not using "the rail"....talk about a back breaker!!!

X3.
Imagine you have a pig YT straight up and down and it decided to go home to the rocks or deep kelp, with spectra it would be like a bandsaw to your leg or yak.

roadx · 05-23-2011, 04:24 PM

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I'm all for guys buying a proper spinning set-up! As long as there's guys who can't cast, or simply can't cast when they actually come face to face with a full on 'foamer of feeding fish, or a Football field sized school of free-swimming fish---there's a time and place for having a nice spinning set-up if you asked me. Which is the reason why I'll be rockin' one here soon as well. While my time is incredibly inexpensive, it's valuable to me.

ok..... so..... what is a proper spinning setup? if your talking stella or van staal then i wont be getting a spinner.
which spinner in a reasonable price range is suitable?

the saltist 4500h seems to ME to have the right spool size with enough drag, how does this reel rate?

standing up i can cast very well, grew up with conventional reels (penn 500 mostly). sitting down is a different story, i havent had that much practice.

TCS · 05-23-2011, 06:28 PM

Thanks very much for all the input. A lot of people I respect have chimed in.

Here's a review of the Daiwa Saltist 6000H
http://new.stripersonline.com/forum/...-big-thumbs-up

Here's a link to a spinning rod that might be pretty solid. Look at the TMSX80XH
http://fish.shimano.com/publish/cont..._Spinning.html#

I need to make a decision and it comes down to this for me: have more fun in June and July. Have more fun later. It's not really about the money, which will dissappear anyway one way or another.

I have a nice saltist conventional, that if I put on a good jigstick I will be able to learn to use. By September.

I could pick up the reel and rod above now and have fun over the weekend. (Apparently there are fish out there)

I could also do nothing, which would suck even more than making the wrong choice.

By the way Josh, you told my I'd shoot my eye out when I got the HDS. Just to drive home the point that the gear doesn't make the fisherman good: I still see just fine and the fish I've been targeting are still happily swimming in the ocean or have been eaten by a better angler than I!

Thanks again!

roadx · 05-22-2011, 08:34 PM

curious on the reply's too, i have been wanting to get a spinner for YT class fish and im leaning towards the diawa saltist 4500H.
the baitrunners & black bait n run also look interesting, it would be a nice option to have an adjustable free spool for live bait.

dont laugh but i thinking of going to get a ugly stick custom USCS1170-M

opinions of the combo? obviously im looking at the lower end reels $150-200 range

dont mean to hijack your thread but this may help us both choosing the right size reel.

05-22-2011, 08:37 PM	#3
BT Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: San Carlos Posts: 202	Tom, I grew up with spinning reels too, and this whole conventional reel thing was new to me. One thing I learned, no matter how good the fisherman, they all get a birds nest once in a while. I was out yesterday, and I used for the first time my curado 300ej. its a bait caster, but the same concept, and cost a pretty penny. I have never casted a smoother set up in my life...but I still had a couple of birds nest. I had 100 ft of mono top shot, and almost every cast I casted into the braid (with a wax wing too). I have heard that the Talica IIs are amazing casters for a level drag. The one thing I would be concerned about is making sure you get an aluminum ( i think thats what they are making them out of) spinning rod if thats the way you go and you spool it with braided. And for the people that knock the wax wings, they are missing out. Those things swim like nothing else. Its amazing. __________________ if your brain had fists, you could only hurt yourself!

05-23-2011, 10:54 AM	#9
MrPatrick Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Waiting to launch Posts: 1,381	Spinning There is a video by" palm beach people" on here I believe. He pulls AJ's and sailfish with a Penn conquer. The saltwater experience guys use Quantum cabo pts reels exclusively and pull up big fish.

05-22-2011, 08:34 PM	#15
roadx . Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,155	curious on the reply's too, i have been wanting to get a spinner for YT class fish and im leaning towards the diawa saltist 4500H. the baitrunners & black bait n run also look interesting, it would be a nice option to have an adjustable free spool for live bait. dont laugh but i thinking of going to get a ugly stick custom USCS1170-M opinions of the combo? obviously im looking at the lower end reels $150-200 range dont mean to hijack your thread but this may help us both choosing the right size reel. __________________ Last edited by roadx; 05-22-2011 at 09:00 PM.

05-22-2011, 08:02 PM	#1
Lets_Fish Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Wildomar, CA. Posts: 294	Tom, Not sure what type of reel your are using now, but have you tried any of the Avet MC style reels or a Newell? I have an old Newell that I learned to cast on, and oh my the free spool on it (back in the '80s) was awesome and it still casts great almost 30 years later. I have also watched some of the current videos on the Avet and I'm impressed. Here is one of them: http://youtu.be/dmp0JdVDsRE

05-22-2011, 08:09 PM	#2
TCS Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 478	Avet had a casting demo at fred hall in LB, so I got to try their best reel on a nice rod, in a standing position so I could really lean into it. I didn't birds nest it and the distance wasn't bad. The problem was that with the the same setup sitting down I don't think it would have helped much. I think they're pretty pricey too. Still could be an option with a different rod....

05-22-2011, 09:35 PM	#4
TCS Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 478	Hmm... Nobody said to get an Ulua yet... Anybody going to try and talk me down? The other thing I'm wondering about is spectra cutting into the index finger on the cast. I have a little penn slammer setup that I cast in the kelp for calicos with 25 pound power pro and that stuff starts to cut into the fingers from casting. What about that? Go heavier, like 80 pound so its not so sharp?

05-23-2011, 07:45 AM	#5
tagyak Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Alhambra Posts: 506	my question is, will the braid start to twist up when you retrieve it onto a spinning reel? i know when i use fluorocarbon on my freshwater spinning reels it starts to twist up when i troll and also on the retrieve. just concerned that this would happen on the saltwater spinners.

05-23-2011, 09:14 AM	#6
RK Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 736	The saltists or okuma cedros (for less money) dont look like too bad of an option

05-23-2011, 10:45 AM	#8
-scallywag- Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: on the road... Posts: 598	Good point Billy! I can't imagine trying to fight a 30lb YT on a 9ft rod with heavy drag and not using "the rail"....talk about a back breaker!!! I'm sure with the right reel (expensive) you could stop and turn a local YT but the price, cost to service, and back-breaker fights are some neg's I can't really deal. For a cheap mag reel for spectra take a look at the Penn 525mag. It holds about 200yrds of #65 and is rated at around 12-14lbs of drag. Charkbait had some for 100 bucks a while back...good reel for the price and easy to service.

05-23-2011, 11:18 AM	#10
TCS Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 478	Thanks for the input Billy and Scally, It did have a tennis ball. What do you think about a levelwind? I have heard that how the line is stacked is critical to the next cast.

05-23-2011, 01:38 PM	#11
Mtobolsky Loves his member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 122	Ah ha..... So that's why my back is sore... No big deal though, I have a little bit of a work out soreness and he gets a gaff shot behind the gill. I think the biggest negative is that coffee grinders are heavy....maybe not if you compare apples to apples though. My cabo has 42 lbs of smooth drag compare that to a conventional with the same drag and it would be light. The reel cast far (would be farther with a longer rod) haven't experienced the line twist issue and doesn't hurt my finger to cast (65 lb spectra). Whatever, it gets the job done nicely. I've seen guys pull on 150lb GT's and 300lb blue fin so I know they are capable.....it's just whatever your into, it's all good stuff.

05-23-2011, 06:28 PM	#14
TCS Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 478	Thanks very much for all the input. A lot of people I respect have chimed in. Here's a review of the Daiwa Saltist 6000H http://new.stripersonline.com/forum/...-big-thumbs-up Here's a link to a spinning rod that might be pretty solid. Look at the TMSX80XH http://fish.shimano.com/publish/cont..._Spinning.html# I need to make a decision and it comes down to this for me: have more fun in June and July. Have more fun later. It's not really about the money, which will dissappear anyway one way or another. I have a nice saltist conventional, that if I put on a good jigstick I will be able to learn to use. By September. I could pick up the reel and rod above now and have fun over the weekend. (Apparently there are fish out there) I could also do nothing, which would suck even more than making the wrong choice. By the way Josh, you told my I'd shoot my eye out when I got the HDS. Just to drive home the point that the gear doesn't make the fisherman good: I still see just fine and the fish I've been targeting are still happily swimming in the ocean or have been eaten by a better angler than I! Thanks again!