respect the ocean 2. MY experience

[GregAndrew]

Originally Posted by PAL

It was windy, right? Few of us can swim quickly enough to catch up to a wind-blown 'yak. Just something to consider. A paddle leash or game clip can double as a safety tether in extreme situations (yes, entanglement hazard).

Sliding or hoping (as the need may be) off to the down-wind side and holding on to a leashed paddle or game clip are good points. Also keeping a good grip on your yak as you maneuver around it is very important in windy conditions. Also remember to fix or slow leaks first (if you can), then work on the bailing of water.

[Jimmyz123]

Glad to hear you made it through without any major losses most importantly your life. Something I was told was never leave the safety of your Kayak if you don't have to. I've read some post saying to get out of the Kayak and install the plug. I think you did it the right way. The getting flipped part, no one could see that one coming. I like Ful-Rac's bilge pump idea and may be doing that also.

Install that drain plug and don't remove it. Also seeing how your in a Moken, do a leak test on your front hatch seal. I know a lot of previous owners of Mokens that had leak issues and they were not minor leaks. Heck everyone should leak test their kayaks. Some leaks are going to happen, but when water fills up like a bath tub, that's not right.

Glad you're O.K. man.

[WildernessWanker]

I know it's been mentioned already, but as a reminder the bilge pumps developed for use in marine settings typically pump water on both the inward and outward stroke of the handle. So yeah a squirt gun "may" do the job, spend a little more on an actual hand bilge and it'll do the job exponentially quicker.

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[ful-rac]

Originally Posted by WildernessWanker

I know it's been mentioned already, but as a reminder the bilge pumps developed for use in marine settings typically pump water on both the inward and outward stroke of the handle. So yeah a squirt gun "may" do the job, spend a little more on an actual hand bilge and it'll do the job exponentially quicker.

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Ok...Let's not beat around the bush here. Using a squirt gun for a bilge pump is just outright stupid! No explanation needed.

[wiredantz]

Tosses squirt gun away, while no one is looking.

[Gigafish]

g1

[SoCalCJ]

Originally Posted by ful-rac

Ok...Let's not beat around the bush here. Using a squirt gun for a bilge pump is just outright stupid! No explanation needed.

Your absolutely entitled to your opinion, as am I! I'm not saying it should be your one and only water removal device. It absolutely more effective than nothing at all. I think everyone understand the importance of redundancy and having multiple pieces of emergency equipment on board. I personally like it as an option, especially if I need extra long reach to the stern.

Heck REI even markets them as bilge pumps:
http://www.rei.com/product/859831/st...water-launcher

[ful-rac]

Originally Posted by SoCalCJ

Your absolutely entitled to your opinion, as am I! I'm not saying it should be your one and only water removal device. It absolutely more effective than nothing at all. I think everyone understand the importance of redundancy and having multiple pieces of emergency equipment on board. I personally like it as an option, especially if I need extra long reach to the stern.

Heck REI even markets them as bilge pumps:
http://www.rei.com/product/859831/st...water-launcher

I take it your a water gun user. Yes your right, better than nothing, but using it as your primary way to remove water from your kayak in an emergency situation....is like I said..no offense but stupid. Using the watergun for small amounts of water is just fine, and I'm not arguing that it wont' pump water... If your watergun is the only device you use to quickly remove large amounts of water in your hull...you should re-evaluate it.

Even with the "correct" pump it's going to be difficult to pump out all the water quickly. With the water gun....like I said I shouldn't have to explain why it's a bad idea...

[Raskal311]

Isn't a proper pump about the same Price.

[driftwood]

Originally Posted by SoCalCJ

Your absolutely entitled to your opinion, as am I! I'm not saying it should be your one and only water removal device. It absolutely more effective than nothing at all. I think everyone understand the importance of redundancy and having multiple pieces of emergency equipment on board. I personally like it as an option, especially if I need extra long reach to the stern.

Heck REI even markets them as bilge pumps:
http://www.rei.com/product/859831/st...water-launcher

I've been using the stream machine for years. works great! gets the water out real fast!

[ctfphoto]

Why on earth did I read this post before I went out yesterday. I found myself sinking and I never touch my drain plug. Fun Day.

[WildernessWanker]

Studies have shown that people don't like being called "stupid" or "morons." They have to be treated like fawns, gently and compassionately but for those that aren't delicate......Don't be stupid and use a squirt gun, because unless you're in the middle of a water-fight you'll just look foolish playing around while your yak is full of water! Anyone ever hear about a kayak being swamped then emptied with a squirt gun.....if you have I'd love to know about it because I'm guessing it's never happened.

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[wiredantz]

Tosses Super soaker overboard.

[WildernessWanker]

Based on the claims of some and the hardware they carry, there's reason to believe that the outcome of events such as the Titanic could have been influenced differently if Super Soaker had the market-share they do now?! Find that hard to believe but maybe I'm missing something.....oh yeah, they should have also packed the hull with pool noodles! I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something so I checked West Marine but was unable to find any squirt guns, Super Soakers, or foam pool toys so maybe just stick with equipment developed for marine use.

[bwana]

The life saving advice and experiences given by all of you are invaluable. THANK YOU.

I thought I was doing all the right things.

After reading this weeks near tragedies I realize I do one thing completely wrong,
and it is probably the most important: 95% of the time I fish by myself.

Several times this year I was glad to be back inside the harbor after a tough paddle in.

[wiredantz]

Here a list I use- (thanks Ryan)

Gear List for Kayak fishing the 1st section is mainly safety gear and should be considered mandatory.
PDF
VHF
Compass
Sunblock
Whistle
Safety box
1st aid
Signaling device
Waterproof matches
Spare whistle and compass
Extra sunscreen
Emergency blanket (can be doubled as a large signaling device.)
Small pouch of water/spare food
Small multi tool
Marine goop
Headlight, strobe light
Protective clothing
Wetsuit
Breathable waders
Paddle jackets
Hats
Booties
Bilge pump and sponge
Bowline (10-20ft)
Water, Water, Water
Food
Fishing Gear
Fishing Rods and Reels
Assorted tackle
Tools
Pliers
Fish gripper
Measuring device
Electronics
Fishfinder
GPS
Dry bags
Seat
Paddle and leash
Kayak Cart

[kareem korn]

Originally Posted by wiredantz

Here a list I use- (thanks Ryan)

Gear List for Kayak fishing the 1st section is mainly safety gear and should be considered mandatory.
PDF
VHF
Compass
Sunblock
Whistle
Safety box
1st aid
Signaling device
Waterproof matches
Spare whistle and compass
Extra sunscreen
Emergency blanket (can be doubled as a large signaling device.)
Small pouch of water/spare food
Small multi tool
Marine goop
Headlight, strobe light
Protective clothing
Wetsuit
Breathable waders
Paddle jackets
Hats
Booties
Bilge pump and sponge
Bowline (10-20ft)
Water, Water, Water
Food
Fishing Gear
Fishing Rods and Reels
Assorted tackle
Tools
Pliers
Fish gripper
Measuring device
Electronics
Fishfinder
GPS
Dry bags
Seat
Paddle and leash
Kayak Cart

Various sizes of Redwood plugs.

[bigbarrels]

Wow, glad you made out alright . A private boater saved my ass once

[momo fish]

Saw this at Home Depot and looks perfect for pumping water out while your outside the kayak.

[YakDout]

4 strokes transfers a gallon? Sounds like my first girlfriend.


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