6/05 AM - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

tptrench · 06-05-2007, 10:49 AM

Contact Ken Franke of the harbor police. I reported asshole Jason a couple of years ago for similar incidents and he had to cut bait for awhile. I had the New Seaforth come way to close yesterday. Those guys have no respect for us. Ken owns the Outer Limits out of Seaforth. He contacted Voaklander and that helped for awhile. What can we do? I'm really sick of what's happening out there!!!!

TP

dorado50 · 06-05-2007, 11:01 AM

I like aquachico's idea, but lets just meet him on the dock upon his return, and voice our concern and see what transpires. Just me and a really strong guy should work.

Corey · 06-05-2007, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tptrench

Contact Ken Franke of the harbor police. I reported asshole Jason a couple of years ago for similar incidents and he had to cut bait for awhile. I had the New Seaforth come way to close yesterday. Those guys have no respect for us. Ken owns the Outer Limits out of Seaforth. He contacted Voaklander and that helped for awhile. What can we do? I'm really sick of what's happening out there!!!!

TP

That's a good tip. I'd reccommend that everyone effected by an incidedent make a seperate call to the CG and Harbor Police every time something happens with those pricks. They won't be able to ignore it then.

Corey · 06-05-2007, 11:08 AM

I like Art's idea too, except lets skip the puking and just throw the asshole overboard.

And Dave, I'll go with ya.

BTW, I'll see the pm shift out there tonight.

Dan · 06-05-2007, 12:26 PM

On a side note, Knothead is now sporting a new white Tady on his back

Sherm · 06-05-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan

On a side note, Knothead is now sporting a new white Tady on his back

Great job

That bastard is probably still digesting my YT from Saturday.

h2ofishfo · 06-05-2007, 04:50 PM

i have fished on the new seaforths 3/4 day boat the dude would cut peoples lobster trap bouys & wake people he doesnt care bout nuttin f him

fishkiller89 · 06-05-2007, 05:23 PM

i agree

wildcat · 06-05-2007, 07:32 PM

I thought JIm Hughes owner the outer limits and worked for the CG??? I am pretty sure about that but not 100%...Those guys have been doing that to everybody for years...

THE DARKHORSE · 06-05-2007, 08:23 PM

The iron is a Salas 7X and has been a favorite of mine for a season or two who ever is able to remove the lance from the rock will be rewarded by the bounty of the sea. I have a busted up hand to prove it as I was trying to keep him from spooling me with 40# Izorline and a newly broken Toriam 20 anti-reverse.

Brad Wells · 06-05-2007, 08:31 PM

The a-hole on the seaforth zipped right up to some of us kayakers on Sunday and drops anchor. 5 minutes later a couple pbers pull up and start fishing near him. He gets on the PA and gives them crap for following him. Maybe we should all have bullhorns and yell at him. If anyone asks, I always recommend boats out of Dana Point. I'm up for puking in his tackle box or hiding dead squid in places they won't find them, let me know. Maybe we can all book spots on weekend trips and not show up.

tattuna · 06-05-2007, 08:57 PM

Wow! I'm surprised to hear the New Seaforth is doing that. I tattoo RJ and he's said he has nothing but respect for us out there on kayaks. I wonder if he's been driving the boat? I'm gonna call him and see what the deal is.

Guyak · 06-05-2007, 09:11 PM

Maybe the captains are pissed that are their ex-clients decided to buy kayaks and actually catch big fish rather than the occasional calico, sandie, and baracuda

How many 30+ lb WSB's are those guys pulling in?

On a serious note, I have not yet had the experience of getting buzzed, but I typically stay away from them when I can. They rarely stay in one place long. If they do come my way the camera will be ready. I would be hard pressed not to throw a

their way.

I am a real mellow guy, but when it comes to the safety of myself, family, and others I have a real problem with that.

I say we just watch each others backs, get the cameras out, and continue to report these jerks. Just like they stopped the people from jumping off the cliffs at La Jolla by patrolling, it will not take long for someone with the proper authority to witness one of these events and take the appropriate action. In fact I would like to put one of the CG guys in a yak for a couple of weekends to see what happens.

Just a thought.

shogan · 06-05-2007, 09:38 PM

Used to defend the occasional incident given I used to fish and scrub on those boats and I know how hard it is to swing a 95 foot boat on the anchor. I always stay well out of casting range and paddle way around them even if they are setting anchor near where I am making bait or fishing.

My perspecitive changed last season when I had carefully stayed out of the way of the Dolphin, but the Dolphin clearly when out of it's way after pulling anchor to charge right up behind me before turning. It was so close it wraped my trolling lines on it's prop, spinning my yak violently. I called the landing immediately as I still know the number and told them what happened and asked them to tell the owner and the skipper what they had just done to one of their customers. Wish I had called my buddy who was a high level Coast Guard Master Cheif in San Diego at the time. The Dolphin was cool around us all on Saturday AM from what I saw. If that shyte happens again I will report it from the water and consider meeting the boat on the dock. An attempte at a citizen's arrest would make a point and be F'N cool!

wavster · 06-05-2007, 12:36 PM

On Sunday I was approached the same way early in the AM. I was way out & alone since 5am.
The New Seaforth aimed right at me then turned at the last minute (about 20 yards away.
I got swamped and the Captain just stared me down.

To make a long story short, I called the Coast Guard yesterday and spoke with an investigator
for about 30 minutes. They've told me that the New Seaforth has had several
complaints filed against them.

Being a vigilante isn't the right way to go. Use the legal system. The CG has the
power to revoke their commercial license, so that's the way I'm going to go. Also,
taking pictures of the boat/captain when being buzzed will go a long way if legal
action is pursued.

Just my 2 cents.

Matt · 06-05-2007, 12:39 PM

Hell Dan, if I had known you need another iron to put in ol' knothead I would have gladly given you one of those too!!!

Good luck to the pm dudes!!
Corey and Dave just let me know if you want a third guy to tag along for fun!! I like long in depth political discussions....or just kicking the F'ing crap out of jerks!!!
Matt

ratdog · 06-05-2007, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wavster

On Sunday I was approached the same way early in the AM. I was way out & alone since 5am.
The New Seaforth aimed right at me then turned at the last minute (about 20 yards away.
I got swamped and the Captain just stared me down.

To make a long story short, I called the Coast Guard yesterday and spoke with an investigator
for about 30 minutes. They've told me that the New Seaforth has had several
complaints filed against them.

Being a vigilante isn't the right way to go. Use the legal system. The CG has the
power to revoke their commercial license, so that's the way I'm going to go. Also,
taking pictures of the boat/captain when being buzzed will go a long way if legal
action is pursued.

Just my 2 cents.

What # did you call?

wavster · 06-05-2007, 12:44 PM

Petty Officer Daniels gave me this number if anyone needs to file an incident report:
619.278.7031.

This is not for things like "he buzzed me", but more if there is a kayak flipped because
of wake from them coming too close.

madscientist · 06-05-2007, 01:30 PM

They both have been leaving me alone for a while but that might be because I very conspicuously pull out my camera and grab my radio anytime I see them aimed my way. I think knowing there will be witnesses and photo documentation discourages the asshole behavior.

dorado50 · 06-05-2007, 02:05 PM

Thanks for the tips all, I have'nt been assualted yet, only aimed at, But I will say this, all navigational laws apply to any vessel, regardless of size. A sure method to get these foul captains off our waterways is to hoist a divers flag on your boat and any encroachment within a certain amount of feet or yards is an offense of navigational law !!! My camera will be armed and ready to shoot.

06-05-2007, 10:49 AM	#1
tptrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: pt loma Posts: 101	No Respect!!!!!! Contact Ken Franke of the harbor police. I reported asshole Jason a couple of years ago for similar incidents and he had to cut bait for awhile. I had the New Seaforth come way to close yesterday. Those guys have no respect for us. Ken owns the Outer Limits out of Seaforth. He contacted Voaklander and that helped for awhile. What can we do? I'm really sick of what's happening out there!!!! TP

06-05-2007, 11:08 AM	#4
Corey Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: ...waaaay out there Posts: 794	I like Art's idea too, except lets skip the puking and just throw the asshole overboard. And Dave, I'll go with ya. BTW, I'll see the pm shift out there tonight. __________________

06-05-2007, 05:23 PM	#8
fishkiller89 Junior Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: san diego Posts: 27	i agree __________________ fishing VS girls . . . tie

06-05-2007, 07:32 PM	#9
wildcat Amature Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Santee Posts: 13	Are you sure I thought JIm Hughes owner the outer limits and worked for the CG??? I am pretty sure about that but not 100%...Those guys have been doing that to everybody for years...

06-05-2007, 09:38 PM	#14
shogan Junior Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 10	Can't defend them anymore Used to defend the occasional incident given I used to fish and scrub on those boats and I know how hard it is to swing a 95 foot boat on the anchor. I always stay well out of casting range and paddle way around them even if they are setting anchor near where I am making bait or fishing. My perspecitive changed last season when I had carefully stayed out of the way of the Dolphin, but the Dolphin clearly when out of it's way after pulling anchor to charge right up behind me before turning. It was so close it wraped my trolling lines on it's prop, spinning my yak violently. I called the landing immediately as I still know the number and told them what happened and asked them to tell the owner and the skipper what they had just done to one of their customers. Wish I had called my buddy who was a high level Coast Guard Master Cheif in San Diego at the time. The Dolphin was cool around us all on Saturday AM from what I saw. If that shyte happens again I will report it from the water and consider meeting the boat on the dock. An attempte at a citizen's arrest would make a point and be F'N cool! __________________ Sean

06-05-2007, 11:01 AM	#2
dorado50 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: La Jolla Shores Posts: 1,626	I like aquachico's idea, but lets just meet him on the dock upon his return, and voice our concern and see what transpires. Just me and a really strong guy should work.

06-05-2007, 12:26 PM	#5
Dan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,053	On a side note, Knothead is now sporting a new white Tady on his back

06-05-2007, 04:50 PM	#7
h2ofishfo Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Santee Posts: 821	i have fished on the new seaforths 3/4 day boat the dude would cut peoples lobster trap bouys & wake people he doesnt care bout nuttin f him

06-05-2007, 08:23 PM	#10
THE DARKHORSE Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Seven minutes from the launch! Posts: 987	The iron is a Salas 7X and has been a favorite of mine for a season or two who ever is able to remove the lance from the rock will be rewarded by the bounty of the sea. I have a busted up hand to prove it as I was trying to keep him from spooling me with 40# Izorline and a newly broken Toriam 20 anti-reverse.

06-05-2007, 08:31 PM	#11
Brad Wells Junior Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 27	The a-hole on the seaforth zipped right up to some of us kayakers on Sunday and drops anchor. 5 minutes later a couple pbers pull up and start fishing near him. He gets on the PA and gives them crap for following him. Maybe we should all have bullhorns and yell at him. If anyone asks, I always recommend boats out of Dana Point. I'm up for puking in his tackle box or hiding dead squid in places they won't find them, let me know. Maybe we can all book spots on weekend trips and not show up.

06-05-2007, 08:57 PM	#12
tattuna Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pasadena Posts: 329	Wow! I'm surprised to hear the New Seaforth is doing that. I tattoo RJ and he's said he has nothing but respect for us out there on kayaks. I wonder if he's been driving the boat? I'm gonna call him and see what the deal is.

06-05-2007, 09:11 PM	#13
Guyak Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 44	Maybe the captains are pissed that are their ex-clients decided to buy kayaks and actually catch big fish rather than the occasional calico, sandie, and baracuda How many 30+ lb WSB's are those guys pulling in? On a serious note, I have not yet had the experience of getting buzzed, but I typically stay away from them when I can. They rarely stay in one place long. If they do come my way the camera will be ready. I would be hard pressed not to throw a their way. I am a real mellow guy, but when it comes to the safety of myself, family, and others I have a real problem with that. I say we just watch each others backs, get the cameras out, and continue to report these jerks. Just like they stopped the people from jumping off the cliffs at La Jolla by patrolling, it will not take long for someone with the proper authority to witness one of these events and take the appropriate action. In fact I would like to put one of the CG guys in a yak for a couple of weekends to see what happens. Just a thought.

06-05-2007, 12:36 PM	#15
wavster Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Encinitas Posts: 562	New Seaforth Reported to Coast Guard On Sunday I was approached the same way early in the AM. I was way out & alone since 5am. The New Seaforth aimed right at me then turned at the last minute (about 20 yards away. I got swamped and the Captain just stared me down. To make a long story short, I called the Coast Guard yesterday and spoke with an investigator for about 30 minutes. They've told me that the New Seaforth has had several complaints filed against them. Being a vigilante isn't the right way to go. Use the legal system. The CG has the power to revoke their commercial license, so that's the way I'm going to go. Also, taking pictures of the boat/captain when being buzzed will go a long way if legal action is pursued. Just my 2 cents.

06-05-2007, 12:39 PM	#16
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	steely dan love for knotheads Hell Dan, if I had known you need another iron to put in ol' knothead I would have gladly given you one of those too!!! Good luck to the pm dudes!! Corey and Dave just let me know if you want a third guy to tag along for fun!! I like long in depth political discussions....or just kicking the F'ing crap out of jerks!!! Matt

06-05-2007, 12:44 PM	#18
wavster Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Encinitas Posts: 562	Coast Guard Incident Report Phone Number Petty Officer Daniels gave me this number if anyone needs to file an incident report: 619.278.7031. This is not for things like "he buzzed me", but more if there is a kayak flipped because of wake from them coming too close.

06-05-2007, 01:30 PM	#19
madscientist Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,906	They both have been leaving me alone for a while but that might be because I very conspicuously pull out my camera and grab my radio anytime I see them aimed my way. I think knowing there will be witnesses and photo documentation discourages the asshole behavior. __________________

06-05-2007, 02:05 PM	#20
dorado50 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: La Jolla Shores Posts: 1,626	Thanks for the tips all, I have'nt been assualted yet, only aimed at, But I will say this, all navigational laws apply to any vessel, regardless of size. A sure method to get these foul captains off our waterways is to hoist a divers flag on your boat and any encroachment within a certain amount of feet or yards is an offense of navigational law !!! My camera will be armed and ready to shoot.